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Posted by KingRanch
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:36 am to
That is a nicely colored Senko
Posted by 911Moto
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 10:56 am to
Here's a quick rundown of how this snake comes into existence:

There are several subspecies of Carpet Python. You start with one of those, a Coastal Carpet Python, which is one of the more drab species.



Now there is a genetic anomaly that produces a Coastal Carpet Python with a more spotted pattern like you see in my snake, the Jaguar pattern. You now have a Coastal Jag.

One of the more vibrant colored subspecies is the Jungle Carpet Python.



Not all are bright yellow/black - some are much more drab, with browns instead of yellows like the Coastal that's pictured. But they are bred for that high yellow seen in "trophy" Jungle Carpets. They do trend toward brownish after their peak, but the trophy snakes are the ones that maintain a high yellow longer.

Now you take a trophy Jungle and mate it with a Jaguar-morph Coastal, and the result is the Jungle Jaguar Carpet Python. Not all will look like mine. Here is the ontogenic change for a good Jungle Jag:



They start off brown, and some lighten bit but stay that way. But in a prized Jungle Jag, they will make the transition to yellow. They usually start showing good yellow at around a year of age. They reach their peak yellows in the 2 year range. Most will start toning down after they peak, but the trophy snakes maintain their high yellow for much longer. Of course, these will then be prized as breeders. Mine was born in February '14, so it is showing some very high yellows for its age. There are several other morphs as well, such as Tiger, Zebra, Ocelot, etc. Carpets are really just starting to become prized morphs. Ball pythons have more morphs than you can count since they are great "pet" snakes. Carpets are known to be very nippy, especially when young, but can be conditioned to be handled. Mine is very tame already.
Posted by CBLSU316
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:05 am to
You're an interesting fella
Posted by 911Moto
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:07 am to
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When you say "collection" what do you mean?


Right now I just have the Pygmy Rattler, the Green Tree Python, and the Jungle Jag. I cut a deal with the wife - I'm getting rid of the Pygmy, which I keep in the game room, and the Tree Python and Jungle Jag stay in what is supposed to be my formal dining room. I plan on getting some others down the line, especially a Jungle Carpet Python. I use the term "collection" loosely - most snake "collectors" have dozens of snakes kept in a rack of trays no larger than a shoebox. They outright recommend that size enclosure for a snake the size of this one. I refuse to keep a snake in that manner. The size of my "collection" will be limited by the space available.
Posted by KingRanch
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:15 am to
How often do these things eat? What do they eat? How much is it to feed them?
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:25 am to
I would love to feed it a shovel.
Posted by 911Moto
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:28 am to
The Jungle Jag, which is about 2 feet long, will eat a fuzzy every week. Pinkies and fuzzies cost around $2.00 live. The Green Tree Python, around 4 feet, will eat a medium mouse every two weeks, and they are under $3.00. The Pygmy just graduated from pinkies to a small fuzzy once every 2 weeks. Frozen ones are probably cheaper, and you can buy a few dozen shrink-wrapped like a piece of meat, but I prefer live feedings. A couple days ago I recorded the rattler eating a fuzzy - pretty cool to watch.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 11:31 am
Posted by hogdaddy
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 11:30 am to
Posted by Lpmann3
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:11 pm to
So when you take a trophy Jungle and mate it with a Jaguar-morph Coastal, how many Jungle Jaguar Carpet Pythons will you get per mate. And are their other snakes from that combo that aren't jungle jags?
Posted by KingRanch
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:13 pm to
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high yellow


I laughed
Posted by djangochained
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:15 pm to
I'd like to see that video
Posted by 911Moto
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:33 pm to
I'm not positive which genes are dominant or what the percentages are. I recall reading something like this, but I'm not sure what species of Jag they are referring to (I think Jungle Jag):
Jag x Jungle = 50% Jungle + 50 % Jag
Jag x Jag = 25% Jungle + 50% Jag + 25% White (leucistic, not albino)
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 2:38 pm
Posted by Bama and Beer
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:37 pm to
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Posted by h0bnail
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:10 pm to
How long did you finance it?
Posted by 911Moto
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:15 pm to
Posted by KingRanch
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:28 pm to
How much are these live baits running you?
Posted by AHouseDivided
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

How long did you finance it?






This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted by 911Moto
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

How much are these live baits running you?


$300 for the Green Tree Python and $325 for the Jungle Jag.

Django, I tried to post the video but I can't get it to load to photobucket.
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 4:59 pm
Posted by KingRanch
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

$300


quote:

$325


I hope you catch a bluefin with them to buy more.
Posted by I B Freeman
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 9:14 pm to
Invasive species and should be taxed at about 1000% to cover the cost of ridding the woods of the escapees and released pets.

I don't want the swamps of Louisiana to end up like the everglades with hundreds of thousands of giant non native snakes.

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