re: Atheist airman must swear 'so help me God' or get out in November

I guarantee you that I can post many, many, many quotes from FF that some of them intended just that.

Regardless, the Supreme Court is pretty clear on this stuff at this point.

Oy vey.

Ok, if the guy was Buddhist or Hindu or Sikh...should he have to recite the Oath as the US Air Force requires?

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Several of the FF were almost assuredly atheist or agnostic

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Do you realize that all of the signers were affiliated with a denomination? Which means they were all part of a church. This is why it was determined by brilliant men that no "one" denomination should be sponsored by our government. That was the situation they had just left in England.

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the Supreme Court has been pretty clear and consistent on these matters since 1947.

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Does that make it right? The Supreme Court has been stepping outside of just interpreting law and into making law.

So I guess, if he is consistent, this guy also refuses to accept any currency that has "In God We Trust" on it.

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You believe that the Non-Religious are not protected by the Constitution?

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Protected from what? Saying the word God. Once again, for someone who doesn't believe in God, isn't it just a word?

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Once again, for someone who doesn't believe in God, isn't it just a word?

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In the context of an oath? You're effectively turning an oath, that he presumably takes very seriously, into a lie.

Exactly. This isn't hard stuff.

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A belief in some god, real or imagined, shouldn't be used as a test of anybody's honesty or worth... which is why the Constitution forbids it.

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have an upvote Rex

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But I guarantee they [founding fathers] never intended for God to be taken out of anything.

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“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

-1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by John Adams

“I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.”

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”

-James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”

-Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."

- Thomas Jefferson

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it."

- John Adams

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

- Thomas Paine

"Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?"

- John Adams

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