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re: Atheist airman must swear 'so help me God' or get out in November
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:53 am to oldcharlie8
Posted on 9/10/14 at 6:53 am to oldcharlie8
I'd feel better if more people took this part more seriously:
"against all enemies, foreign and domestic"
So Help Me God.
As far as the AF goes .. .well, LOL, SMH. All you can do with that bunch.
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:08 am to socraticsilence
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Interesting, so if all soldiers had to praise Allah, you'd be cool with it?
Of course not, he and the rest of the Christians in here would be having a collective aneurysm.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:09 am to NHTIGER
quote:And adding those words put God solidly in our camp and we were eternally victorious in combat after that.
The words were made part of both the enlistment and re-enlistment process by Federal statute effective for all oaths taken on or after October 5, 1963.
You would think that God would spite the countries that put his name on currency and force people to worship him.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 7:10 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:11 am to Socratics
Maybe he takes oaths seriously and doesn't want to cheapen it by swearing to a deity he doesn't believe in. Some of you people suck.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:14 am to Tigerlaff
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Maybe he takes oaths seriously
I'm sure that's it.
Good call.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:16 am to navy
Well, by all means, let's keep speculating.
When did you stop beating your wife again?
When did you stop beating your wife again?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:19 am to Socratics
Question, because I dont know
If he is atheist and doesnt believe in a god, then why would he be concerned saying so help me God if he doesnt believe it?
If he is atheist and doesnt believe in a god, then why would he be concerned saying so help me God if he doesnt believe it?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:21 am to themunch
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That turban is awesome.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:21 am to HailToTheChiz
quote:Because it would be a lie. Hell, maybe we should accept people who lie about protecting the country too. They are just words too, right? What do oaths mean anyway.
If he is atheist and doesnt believe in a god, then why would he be concerned saying so help me God if he doesnt believe it?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:23 am to Tigerlaff
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When did you stop beating your wife again?
I'd greatly enjoy making your acquaintance ... So Help Me God, of course.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:24 am to mmcgrath
Everyone knows that if an atheist says "So help me God" they turn into a pumpkin at midnight.
This requirement is illegal and unconstitutional, of course.
This requirement is illegal and unconstitutional, of course.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:27 am to mmcgrath
But he's only lying to himself about those words not the rest
Eta: I see your point though
Eta: I see your point though
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 7:28 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:30 am to GoBigOrange86
quote:I am detecting sarcasm.
Everyone knows that if an atheist says "So help me God" they turn into a pumpkin at midnight.
This requirement is illegal and unconstitutional, of course.
However, if a person in the Army swears to protect his country and then walks off of base one day to go hang with militants in the mountains, I guess he wouldn't be held to that oath either. I guess he could say that he was told he really didn't have to believe in the words he was saying...
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:31 am to HailToTheChiz
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But he's only lying to himself about those words not the rest
Eta: I see your point though
You get it. Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:33 am to HailToTheChiz
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But he's only lying to himself about those words not the rest
It has to do with religious freedom. Some of the first large waves of immigrants came here to escape religious persecution. A public institution shouldn't be forcing people to swear oaths to what they believe is about as real as Santa Claus. It's not anymore right than forcing Christians to swear an oath to Shiva.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:35 am to mmcgrath
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I am detecting sarcasm.
Yeah, but I get your point and I agree that it's wrong to try to force him to say it. I think it's clearly unconstitutional.
It's just fun to watch atheists get pissed off because it really doesn't take much these days
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:39 am to GoBigOrange86
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It's just fun to watch atheists get pissed off because it really doesn't take much these days
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:40 am to Socratics
Fwiw I find the whole oath swearing thing as odd.
If an enemy agent infiltrates your ranks, of course he would swear an oath just to blend in.
If an enemy agent infiltrates your ranks, of course he would swear an oath just to blend in.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:43 am to Jcorye1
Also hilarious.
Bill O'Reilly makes it doubly so. That look of intense concern. "We've got a war on Christmas, arright? We need to secure our southern border, arright?"
Bill O'Reilly makes it doubly so. That look of intense concern. "We've got a war on Christmas, arright? We need to secure our southern border, arright?"
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:44 am to Socratics
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, which now require all airmen to swear an oath to God.
I would swear an oath to the flying spaghetti monster just to prove a point
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