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re: Most Illogical Decision Consistently Made by Sports Coaches?
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:29 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:29 pm to TheSexecutioner
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a) punting on most 4th downs
this is false
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Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:30 pm to FairhopeTider
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Throwing the fade on "and Goal" situations. Just seems to be such a low percentage play that consistently gets called.
This
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:32 pm to wildtigercat93
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this is false
What about it is false? That coaches usually punt on 4th down? Or that it is a positive equity value play?
Either way, you are wrong. See the link I posted last page.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 11:40 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Brings up another illogical decision. Running the ball in the NFL. It's a low payoff play kept alive by weightless adages like "establish the run." Its pretty obvious how ridiculously hard it is to stop a team from getting a first on 4 passing attempts.
Disagree. Running the ball is almost always important. There is a graveyard of very good teams that sputtered in the end because they couldn't establish the run, OR were too unbalanced and pass-heavy.
i.e.
2001 St. Louis Rams
2002 Oakland Raiders
2007 NE Patriots
2013 Denver Broncos
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:16 am to TheSexecutioner
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Either way, you are wrong. See the link I posted last page.
the problem is you are pitting two extremes between each other
yes, coaches probably are statistically too conservative at times however that doesnt mean they should be polar opposite and be reckless with their 4th down decisions.
the issue with those stats are that it takes all 4th downs equally. when in fact theres a billion differwnt factors involved in that decison.
i agree that statistically coaches sound go for more 4th downs in some situatiobs, but i dont agree that that would be "most" or "all fourth downs
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:18 am to wildtigercat93
Has anyone said Belichick playing Chandler Jones as 5 tech in a 34 yet?
I can't fathom how he thought it would be a good idea.
I can't fathom how he thought it would be a good idea.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:20 am to Jcorye1
the basketball coaches that keep calling 2 point plays with 15 seconds left and you're down 5 points. "what you really need is a basket it's too early to go for the three" no it's not dammit jack that shite up
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:52 am to wildtigercat93
Football coaches who use TOs in the 2nd half of games instead of just taking a penalty
Posted on 9/9/14 at 12:57 am to FairhopeTider
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Throwing the fade on "and Goal" situations. Just seems to be such a low percentage play that consistently gets called.
This is my answer as well. I feel like it fails 20 times for every one time it works
Posted on 9/9/14 at 1:30 am to TheSexecutioner
1. Prevent Defense
2. Martyball...playing conservative run first football in the 4th quarter after throwing a football effectively all game.
2. Martyball...playing conservative run first football in the 4th quarter after throwing a football effectively all game.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 1:42 am to CunningLinguist
Averages work over a long period of time sure. But if I'm up by 4 on my own 5 at 4th and 2, I'm punting that bitch every time
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 1:43 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 1:47 am to WestCoastAg
2-3 mins left in the game, punting(ie. 4th and 4) and not getting the ball back.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 1:48 am to Apache
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2. Martyball...playing conservative run first football in the 4th quarter after throwing a football effectively all game.
This one isn't so obvious to me. The Denver game last night was bad. The Colts almost came back because Denver kept throwing incomplete passes and punting.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 1:50 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 2:22 am to SwaggerCopter
Problem with the fade is that most teams arent throwing it to elite targets... Bc they see Randy Moss catch it and think their guy can
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:47 pm to TheSexecutioner
Kansas State game just reminded me of one: When a college coach of a team that's losing late in the game calls a timeout after the opponent gets a first down.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:57 pm to FairhopeTider
"Throwing the fade".
I have the same sense of wonder about that call, especially since it typically follows a stereotypical two straight runs into the middle for very short yardage.
I also marvel at how a football team can run the ball all the way down the field with ease but the coach will start calling pass plays once they get inside the 15 (and vice versa).
I have the same sense of wonder about that call, especially since it typically follows a stereotypical two straight runs into the middle for very short yardage.
I also marvel at how a football team can run the ball all the way down the field with ease but the coach will start calling pass plays once they get inside the 15 (and vice versa).
Posted on 9/19/14 at 1:20 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Football coaches who use TOs in the 2nd half of games instead of just taking a penalty
I wouldn't just limit it to the 2nd half. 3rd and 20, take the damn penalty. There's no difference in play calling for 3rd and 20 and 3rd and 25. The only time I would say the 5 yards is more valuable than a TO is if field goal range is involved.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 1:28 pm to TheSexecutioner
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b) basketball coaches pulling players with early foul trouble
This, arguably, makes more sense than anything in your list. The wide majority of basketball games are won/lost in the 4th quarter.
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c) pitching "Closer" in the 9th inning regardless of whether there are more essential at-bats he could pitch.
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:24 pm to TheSexecutioner
D. Coaches wasting a TO to decide whether or not to go for it on 4th down. That decision should already be made before the 3rd down play takes place. How many times do we have to watch A. a coach get the 4th down play in late only to have to call a TO because the play clock is running down; B. a coach let the play clock run down trying to decide only to run the punt team out; c (the worst) call a TO only to let the offense try to draw the defense offsides
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:27 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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Kansas State game just reminded me of one: When a college coach of a team that's losing late in the game calls a timeout after the opponent gets a first down.
The clock runs after they move the chains...
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