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re: Son got denied for a credit card

Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:34 am to
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:34 am to
My wife is 25 and only just now got one after we consigned for a car.

Seems like I've had one since I was 19 or 20 but I'm a few years older than her. I think it's more difficult now to obtain a credit card for youngsters.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 10:35 am
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97607 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:40 am to
Well then you just need to figure out why your accounts are showing up on his report


get a free report online and go from there
Posted by swanny297
NELA
Member since Oct 2013
2189 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:34 am to
I have similar credit scores and was denied recently for a same as cash becuase I had to many hard hits (car dealer screw up), sounds like with you loans and new vehicles this could also be a cause
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
36989 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

I think it's more difficult now to obtain a credit card for youngsters.


I'm in my mid 30s, and I remember my freshman year of college, banks were on campus giving credit cards away like candy. They hired cute girls to get the apps, you would get a free shirt or something, and I think they paid the cute girls for each app they got.

I've heard that new regulations have cut down a lot on that more recently, and it's much harder to get a student card.

To the OP, tell your son to call the credit issurer directly and see if he can get an exact reason for denial. Tell him to push the issue a bit.

Also, if this is truly about building good credit for him, tell him to apply for a walmart card. Store cards tend to be easier to get, especially for people without much credit history. He can go buy some stuff there a couple of times a month and pay it off each month.

If he has one good trade line from being an authorized user, and he has one good installment line for himself, and he adds a store card, his credit history will start to grow. At that point the only issue would be debt to income.
Posted by GoHoGsGo06
Member since Nov 2006
5739 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

At that point the only issue would be debt to income
i think this is currently the underlying issue. If the child is an authorized user on parents account, that debt counts against the son.

So if the parents have $5k balance on the credit card, yet the child is only making minimal income, the credit card company will think he cannot cover his existing debt, and will therefore not open him a new line of credit.
Posted by tigerfan4120
Member since Dec 2003
3262 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 5:08 pm to
Two easy things for him to do:

1) Call the reconsideration line for the credit card company that denied his application. Often a simple phone call is all it takes to reverse their decision.

2) Get a secured credit card, upgrade to a better card in about a year. He would undoubtedly be approved for a secured card as the bank carries hardly any risk for those.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39547 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 5:20 pm to
An authorized user is not legally responsible for the debt. If a credit card company is making this mistake(implicitly and rather shockingly), he should rectify that issue so they know he is not the holder of that debt.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 5:22 pm
Posted by JonTheTigerFan
Central, LA
Member since Nov 2003
6784 posts
Posted on 9/6/14 at 6:19 pm to
I know that being an authorized user brings up your FICO score but I've read that lenders are starting to frown upon that when it's someone's only positive trade lines. Could be that his thin credit file (excluding being an AU on their credit cards) is holding him back. He should try a credit card like Dicover It or Capital One to start. Not bad cards and aren't as hard to get as an American Express or Chase.
Posted by Rantavious
Bossier ''get down'' City
Member since Jan 2007
2079 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 12:32 am to
quote:

i think this is currently the underlying issue. If the child is an authorized user on parents account, that debt counts against the son.


I don't think so, authorized user is not responsible for the debt. 'Piggybacking' on parents credit. May ask your son to remove himself as authorized user on credit cards and re-score him
Posted by GoHoGsGo06
Member since Nov 2006
5739 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 12:32 pm to
What I meant is that the AU is not responsible for paying the debt, just that the debt counts against him when a credit report is pulled. Two separate things here.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25516 posts
Posted on 9/7/14 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

Obviously the authorized user thing is a loophole and you all have used it...


It's not a loophole.
For some reason, people don't understand that there are about 30 different scoring systems (roughly 10 per credit copository).

They do not score an 18 year old the same as they score a 26 year old, the same as they score a 40 year old with a bankruptcy, the same as they score a 60 year old.

There are about 10 different buckets that we can be thrown into... each one with a different set of requisites for scoring.

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Your son needs to follow procedure for a denial (often a written request) to get the exact reason for the declined credit application. I am guessing that his thin credit file is the reason for being turned down with this credit card carrier. But it's just guessing. A simple written request will get him and you everything that you need to know.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
36989 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 10:00 am to
quote:

For some reason, people don't understand that there are about 30 different scoring systems (roughly 10 per credit copository).

They do not score an 18 year old the same as they score a 26 year old, the same as they score a 40 year old with a bankruptcy, the same as they score a 60 year old.

There are about 10 different buckets that we can be thrown into... each one with a different set of requisites for scoring.


I would be curious to learn more about this. I know each company has multiple scores available for sale - different versions of FICO, insurance scores, scores by other providers, etc. But I didn't think age of the individual had anything to do with it.
Posted by JonTheTigerFan
Central, LA
Member since Nov 2003
6784 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 6:09 pm to
quote:

I would be curious to learn more about this. I know each company has multiple scores available for sale - different versions of FICO, insurance scores, scores by other providers, etc. But I didn't think age of the individual had anything to do with it.


According to FICO, they don't factor age of the person. Average Age of Accounts is a big factor and can contribute to older people having higher scores. From MyFico:

FICO scores consider a wide range of information on your credit report. However, they do not consider:

Your race, color, religion, national origin, sex and marital status.
US law prohibits credit scoring from considering these facts, as well as any receipt of public assistance, or the exercise of any consumer right under the Consumer Credit Protection Act.
Your age.
Other types of scores may consider your age, but FICO scores don't.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25516 posts
Posted on 9/9/14 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

But I didn't think age of the individual had anything to do with it.


Age isn't the factor. Credit is the factor. But it would make sense that an 18 year old would have a different profile from a 28 year old from a 38 year old.
Someone with a discharged bankruptcy would have a different profile from someone who hasn't.
Etc..
Someone with a fully satisfied installment loan runs under a different scoring system from someone who has 15 fully satisfied installment loans.

It's the reason that a 19 year old can have a 790 score... and a 39 year old 18 months out of a discharged Ch7 bankruptcy can have a 750 credit score... and a 28 year old who has never been late in his life can have a 590 score because he is maxed out or overdrawn on multiple accounts.
(all of these scores on a credit bureau sold to mortage companies for qualification).
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