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Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm not terribly shocked there are unethical employers, but there are unethical employees, unions and attorneys too. More Workers Are Claiming ‘Wage Theft’ doesn't make it so
Exactly. This article is a sign of something coming. Maybe national legislation essentially banning what heretofore have been legal independent contractor engagements. Google massachusetts b prong. It's fricked.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:54 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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jesus christ, you're pathetic
I am being a little pathetic :
Think my female hating is on full retardation today.... But I couldn't help but picture a Caesar hair cut pant suit wearing Fiat driving progressive telling you to save more money so she could get out the racist and sexist stronghold of AUS and get out west.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 11:00 pm to baybeefeetz
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Maybe national legislation essentially banning what heretofore have been legal independent contractor engagements.
i'm not an expert on independent contractorships, but my understanding of them has basically been that employers use them to skirt labor laws and to take advantage of a vulnerable work force that has to take what it can get in a tough economy.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 11:02 pm to baybeefeetz
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massachusetts b prong
Holy crap, were these formerly classified contractors eligible for back pay?
Posted on 9/1/14 at 11:04 pm to baybeefeetz
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Nobody is okay with people not bein paid their agreed-upon salary. That being said, just because some lawyer files a claim and some plaintiff says it happened doesn't make it true. Allegations of wage theft may be on the rise.
Agree with this
Posted on 9/1/14 at 11:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Sure. But if the "employer" doesn't control what the worker does, then he's not really an employee. That has traditionally been the test, and that is what it should be, but in this article, I sense a push for something different.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 11:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Holy crap, were these formerly classified contractors eligible for back pay?
Google Massachusetts b prong treble damages.
Eta: and "attorney fees"
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:19 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:You should stick to what people actually say rather than make your own leaps.
so what i've gotten out these responses is that the poli board is a-ok with this.
quote:Because you have prejudged everyone around you before even understanding their position...
Why am i not surprised?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Your understanding is incorrect. The IRS applies a 21 question test to determine if an "contractor" is really an employee or not. They can determine if someone is an employee, regardless if you issue a W-2 or 1099.
my understanding of them has basically been that employers use them to skirt labor laws and to take advantage of a vulnerable work force that has to take what it can get in a tough economy.
Having a bunch of 1099ers is more headache than W-2ers. Been that way for atleast 20 years.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:21 am to Draconian Sanctions
Hmmm, so when you are at Wally World or at McYuckky's, do you tip the workers extra to make up for all this so-called 'wage theft'?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:your understanding of an independent contractor does not shock me at all.
i'm not an expert on independent contractorships, but my understanding of them has basically been that employers use them to skirt labor laws and to take advantage of a vulnerable work force that has to take what it can get in a tough economy.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So you think it's okay for a company to violate any law just because it doesn't agree with it? You don't happen to be an executive for Hobby Lobby, do you?
Terrible example, seeing as how the HHS mandate was an executive order, not a law, and it was Sebelius violating a law simply because she didn't like it.
ETA: There's also the fact that Hobby Lobby went through the proper legal channels instead of simply ignoring the law.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 6:46 am
Posted on 9/2/14 at 6:54 am to ZZTIGERS
quote:Yes. Just a bit of sarcasm.
You mean I'm entitled to time-and-a-half for all the hours I've worked beyond 40 hr/week?
Salaried employees are exempt from the over 40 hour/week overtime requirement, correct?
Salaried employees are exempt from the over 40 hour/week overtime requirement, and so are business owners, it seems.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
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take advantage of a vulnerable work force
boy you have no clue. Talk to a few independent contractors down here in Houston and you won't feel sorry for em.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
this is pretty well known in my circle. it's a growth market for lawyers
i mean there are avenues to combat the behavior. in a libertarian society, the courts are the regulators. positive state action via regulation or criminal laws is not necessary. that is playing out in real time.
i mean there are avenues to combat the behavior. in a libertarian society, the courts are the regulators. positive state action via regulation or criminal laws is not necessary. that is playing out in real time.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:39 am to SuperSaint
Why do you hate women?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:40 am to Draconian Sanctions
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but my understanding of them has basically been that employers use them to skirt labor laws and to take advantage of a vulnerable work force that has to take what it can get in a tough economy.
you say "take advantage" when that's a derogatory way to put it
there is a competition for open jobs, and open jobs for those who have made bad decisions during their life to destroy their economic value are decreasing rapidly. this competition will decrease real wages. this is basic supply and demand. why do we expect employers to not follow the market?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:41 am to SpidermanTUba
SS is high value enough to actually get to mingle with very high value females, so he has to feel their wrath
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:44 am to NC_Tigah
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You mean I'm entitled to time-and-a-half for all the hours I've worked beyond 40 hr/week?
If you are an hourly employee, yes, that's the case in most situations.
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