re: QB Play In 2014 - Better or Worse Than 2011?

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Salviati

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I am now convinced that you never actually saw any of these games.

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I am now convinced that you never actually saw any of these games.

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This guy is a retard.

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Ok, clearly I'm just dealing with a fool. Lee "regressing" from 2008 to 2009 was due to ... wait for it... way less attempts because he was no longer the starter. You're trying to say he majorly regressed, and you base that off a sample size of 40 passes.

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I'm not at all surprised by your post. You completely excuse Lee's regression (despite the facts) while going to great lengths to suggest that Jefferson regressed (despite the facts).

I'm sorry the facts don't fit your narrative. Lee regressed from 2009 to 2008.

Nor is it surprising that you completely flip your argument when defending Lee and attacking Jefferson. You argue that Jefferson regressed in 2011 (despite the facts) because he had fewer attempts and "got to pad stats for 60% of his games." And yet in 2009, Lee had fewer pass attempts and got 60% of his pass attempts against La. Tech and Tulane.

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Except that's not what I'm doing. I blame JJ for his shitty QB performance in those two games. And calling those performances shitty is being kind.

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JJ sucked a lot.

Given the stakes, Lee's back to back INTs against Bama were probably the worst consecutive plays by an individual LSU player in any sport ever.

I hope Jennings and Harris are both way better than both of them. This whole conversation is stupid.

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Except that's not what I'm doing.

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How would you describe Lee's performance in the GOTC?

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I blame JJ for his shitty QB performance in those two games. And calling those performances shitty is being kind.

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in the first half of the SECCG, LSUs' RBs gained 21 yards on 9 attempts. That's 2.3 YPC. On one possession, Jefferson completed a 9 yard pass on first down. LSU's RBs ran the ball twice and could not get the first down. The first half of the SECCG sucked, but that's on the entire LSU offense, not just Jefferson.

During the BCSCG, LSU's RBs gained 24 yards for the whole game.

The problem with the BCSCG and the first half of the SECCG is that LSU's one dimensional offense did not work against those defenses. That's not Jefferson's fault.

When Lee played against a Top 5 defense, Lee completed 2 of 7 passes to the other team.

The problem in the BCSCG wasn't Jefferson. The problem was the offensive line. They couldn’t move the Bama D-line and they couldn’t hold them back either. There was no run game, and there was no time to pass.

If anything, Jefferson in the pocket rather than Lee slowed down the Bama rush because Bama used a mush rush to contain Jefferson and prevent him from running. It’s the same idea LSU used against Manziel to keep him from breaking off long runs. Slow the rush and contain the QB. Bama would not have used a mush rush against Lee because Lee is no threat to run.

So if Miles put in Lee, there’s still no run game, and now there is even less time to pass. If there is one thing Bama feasts on, it’s immobile pocket passers. Lee’s numbers against Bama confirm this fact. His QB Rating against Bama could fit in a shoe box.

During 2011, "efficient" is the single word that defined Lee. You'll be hard pressed to find a post about Lee without the word "efficient" just a few words away. The thing about being defined as “efficient” is that it means that you aren’t a prolific passer; you don’t throw it a lot. In fact, it typically means that the offense is run-oriented and passes infrequently. Prior to the Bama game, Lee averaged 19 passes per game. Lee had only one game in 2011 in which he threw for more than 200 yards. Lee wasn’t a prolific passer. He was efficient.

Efficient works when your team can run the ball effectively. Efficient means that the defense is focused on stopping the run. Efficient means that the defense is not expecting a pass. Efficient means that you have time to throw because the defense is not focuses on stopping the pass. Efficient does not work when you aren’t running well. Efficient does not work when your line can’t block. Bama’s D was suffocating that night. Bama would have killed Lee.

LSU should not have been playing Bama. LSU beat Bama at their house in the Game of the Century. You play the hand you’re dealt, but it was a raw deal.

Bama was playing for redemption. Bama had lost with their prior offensive strategy, so they were forced to abandon it. Saban took the ball out of Richardson’s hands and made McCarron win the game. Bama threw on nearly every first down. It was a risky strategy, but what did Bama have to lose. They had already lost to LSU trying to run the ball. McCarron had a terrific night; thus, the strategy worked.

Even though Bama had flipped its offensive strategy, it does not necessarily mean that LSU should have. Hindsight is always 20/20, and we know now that LSU’s plan did not work. However, LSU trailed Georgia 10-0 and at the half in the SECCG. The offense was atrocious the first half but came around in the second half, and LSU blew out Georgia. With a few dozen plays left, it was not unreasonable for Miles to go with the strategy that worked so well in the SECCG. It was at least as reasonable as trying a QB that was the antithesis of the ideal QB to use against Bama.

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Given the stakes, Lee's back to back INTs against Bama were probably the worst consecutive plays by an individual LSU player in any sport ever.

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JJ probably did something stupid immediately before or after the shovel INT in the championship game. Just saying. And those stakes were much higher.

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Wow. You really just don't care about the facts at all. You really just want to take a shot at Jefferson in every post.

For the record, before Jefferson's interception, Ford lost a yard on a running play. After the interception, Jefferson completed two passes.

The interception itself was truly unfortunate timing. Ware turned around to throw a block to spring Jefferson just as Jefferson was tossing the ball to Ware. Could have been a big play if Jefferson would have kept it. Could have been a big play if Ware would not have turned around.

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Well, he was fricking garbage on the biggest stages possible.

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The entire offense was garbage on the biggest stage possible. You want to blame only Jefferson.

Sure, it's simpler to blame one person, but Jefferson's performance is not the reason LSU lost the game. Jefferson's performance is not even the main reason why LSU lost that game. That game was lost on the line of scrimmage when LSU had the ball. LSU's o-line could not run block. LSU's o-line could not pass block.

The coaches don't blame Jefferson. The players don't blame Jefferson. I don't blame Jefferson.

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yea, I'm taking shots at him

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That's obvious. We can all see it. You take every opportunity to take a shot at Jefferson even when the facts completely fail to support you.

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As long as you keep defending him and completely downplaying what Lee did that year, I'll keep taking shots.

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Trust me. We know you will keep taking shots at Jefferson. You've been doing it throughout this thread.

Again, I'm not saying that Jefferson was the best QB in the nation, or in the SEC, or even in the SEC West. Heck, he might not have been the best QB on his team, except Mett was not close to being ready.

Jefferson was merely the QB that gave LSU the best chance to win. The coaches agree with me. The facts agree with me. The players agree with me.

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And the facts agree with me.

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The entire offense was garbage on the biggest stage possible. You want to blame only Jefferson.

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Yes, I blame the only person that touches the ball every play and is supposed to be the leader.

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That's obvious. We can all see it. You take every opportunity to take a shot at Jefferson even when the facts completely fail to support you.

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Facts haven't failed me once. You haven't refuted a single thing.

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Trust me. We know you will keep taking shots at Jefferson. You've been doing it throughout this thread.

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Any other blatantly obvious things you'd like to point out? Color of the sky perhaps?

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Heck, he might not have been the best QB on his team,

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He wasn't. Lee was better. I'll wait for you to tell me when JJ led the league in efficiency. I have a feeling it will be a while.

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And the facts agree with me.

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Well they do, so not really sure why you'd be laughing.

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If Jefferson would have had enough starts to qualify, he would have led the league in efficiency at the end of the 2011 season.

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The reason that doesn't count is the same reason you can't say Lee majorly regressed in 2009.

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Fortunately for Lee's efficiency numbers, he was pulled from the GOTC and did not get to play in the Championship Games.

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We'll never know what would have been his stats against UGA or Bama part 2. We do know just how terrible JJ was though. So congrats on hanging your hat on two "ifs."