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re: Old time deer management ideas...why do people love em

Posted on 8/26/14 at 6:04 am to
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 6:04 am to
So I assume the DNR Depts of 2 states have this all wrong?
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 6:09 am to
keep flippin' dat jig..
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
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8585 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:12 am to
No bites yet??
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:33 am to
give him a piggy trailer.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:47 am to
I so wish this site had an ignore feature.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:56 am to
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But it seems they actually discourage shooting does


we discourage shooting does.

However both consecutive day multi hunter/location surveys, and nighttime surveys with and without thermal and IR show us that our herd is severely weak. It is not unusual to go 10 or more hunts without seeing a deer. And the game cameras tell us that the does have been having singlet or twin deliveries for the last several years and no triplets. Total deer herd on 1000 acres is estimated at 15-25 total with a slightly higher buck ratio overall. Couple that with high hunting pressure from neighbors on some sides and high fence obstructing movement on other sides and we simply have to limit our harvest.


If you want more deer you have to have a uterus for them to come out of.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
21408 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:00 am to
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Joined a new lease. Great land, good hunting plenty of deer, and good to great flooded slough timber duck hunting. From what I hear, most of membership doesn't deer hunt at all.


Hope you don't plan on killing many deer during duck season.
Posted by Huntinguy
Member since Mar 2011
1752 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:15 am to
The bucks that are born to those "third rut" does, will also get a much later start in life, and be "behind" the first rut yearlings all their life.

Manage does so you only have one primary rut, and generally speaking you'll have better bucks.

IMO....a third rut indicates you have too many does.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56198 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:31 am to
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Hope you don't plan on killing many deer during duck season.
I think it is set up to accommodate both pretty well from what I understand. I haven't seen this piece of property since 1992, and it is a relatively large tract.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:37 am to
My old Wildville lease had two duck hunting lakes in the center of the property. Did not bother the deer from what we could tell. Hell, the duck hunters would report deer sightings on the banks of their lakes quite often.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56198 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:39 am to
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It is not unusual to go 10 or more hunts without seeing a deer


This piece of property usually has 10 or more deer seen per hunt.

I would think the property you described has a habitat issue as well.
Posted by MillerMan
West U, Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2010
6512 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:11 am to
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Total deer herd on 1000 acres is estimated at 15-25 total


Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8585 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:14 am to
quote:

Wildville


Where about was this?
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:20 am to
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I would think the property you described has a habitat issue as well



Issues affecting herd are as follows

HUGE arse 4-5 year drought, that killed over half of the standing hardwoods in the first two years and dried up all water sources on lease for over 6 months

Over predation and one landowner who did not until recently allow non deer season predator hunts.

Hogs, Hogs, Hogs!

Neighbors with a definitive "if its brown its down" policy

Neighbors who high fenced and shut off game movement from 1/4 of property.

200 acres of non food bearing loblolly pine plantation.

One land owner who does not manage his cattle worth a crap and during the drought they were literally eating cedar trees from 6 ft down.

Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15936 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:23 am to
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200 acres of non food bearing loblolly pine plantation.


unless it is managed for pinestraw production, I am going to go ahead and say that is not accurate
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:30 am to
Put in supposedly for lumber but they came in and cut/thinned some this last year to turn into mulch of all things. Just chipped it all up.


I was told loblolly but maybe they are yellow pine, or long leaf pine, or the ever popular IDGF its a pine tree trees.

Pines are useless to me so I have no reason to know the variances unless I am buying them by the board foot.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:34 am to
I'm sowwy alx, I'll be quiet so u don't have to ignore me.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:47 am to
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Wildsville


Where about was this?


Turn right at the flashing light just past the black river bridge on 84 in jonesville.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15936 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:50 am to
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Put in supposedly for lumber but they came in and cut/thinned some this last year to turn into mulch of all things. Just chipped it all up. I was told loblolly but maybe they are yellow pine, or long leaf pine, or the ever popular IDGF its a pine tree trees. Pines are useless to me so I have no reason to know the variances unless I am buying them by the board foot.


I believe you that there is a pine plantation. I'm just saying there is probably more food in that pine plantation than you think.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:52 am to
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I'm sowwy alx, I'll be quiet so u don't have to ignore me.

You goober
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