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re: Henry Rollins on Robin Williams suicide
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:51 am to KeyserSoze999
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:51 am to KeyserSoze999
There is a whole lot of ignorance in this thread. It's surprising how uneducated people are on mental illness. I know firsthand that neurophysiology is hard to understand, but seriously people, open a book. Robin Williams suffered from Bipolar I which is characterized by manic and depressive episodes (take a look at his acting career for examples of mania). It's likely that Robin had a genetic default in the 5-HT (serotonin) transporter gene and, therefore, had a serotonin-based brain malfunction. If you know anything about neurochemicals, you know how important it is to have properly delivered serotonin. There have been reports of individuals with Bipolar disorder having shrunken anterior cingulate cortex, amygdala, and prefrontal cortex (responsible for your decision making ability among many other things). Think about that for a second.
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 12:47 pm to KeyserSoze999
Agree 100%. His life was not cut short. He intentionally ended his life.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 12:48 pm to rbWarEagle
Agree with the poster who discussed survival instinct.
People don't kill themselves if they are rational.
We are our mind.
If it goes bad, we go bad.
People don't kill themselves if they are rational.
We are our mind.
If it goes bad, we go bad.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 1:01 pm to rbWarEagle
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It's surprising how uneducated people are on mental illness.
It's actually not that surprising. It's not something you can physically see, and it's not something people will go out of their way to understand unless it affects their own lives. And it's not like it's a sickness/illness that is taught like you would be taught about cancer or something.
I always viewed depression in a "negative" light, meaning I would say some ignorant shite like, "quit being sad, just be happy. It's that easy." I thought it was that easy for everyone, and those that couldn't understand that were weak minded. Wasn't until a good friend of mine confided in my about their depression did I really look into it, reading personal accounts, articles, and whatnot, did I get a hint of understanding what it actually is, and how crippling it can be.
The brain is overwhelmingly powerful and can enhance our lives or cripple them (or find a nice medium).
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:04 pm to HeadChange
It took me a good bit of reading to begin to wrap my head around this mental disorder.
As best as I can tell, deep seeded depression instills the inability to emote differently from the things most of us would consider to be great news and things most would consider to be terribly depressing news. The emotional reaction to things as joyous as the birth of a child, the achievements of others, even the contagious things like receiving a smile from someone else, are not felt any differently from news such as the death of a loved one. It is a constant state of very deep trauma that is immune from reason. You cannot talk your way through it, nor reason your way through it. This is often why medication to mitigate the symptoms is the alternative with the most acceptable trade-offs.
I think we promote this continued misunderstanding as long as we use the same term to refer to things we are temporarily depressed about as we do with this mental disorder.
As best as I can tell, deep seeded depression instills the inability to emote differently from the things most of us would consider to be great news and things most would consider to be terribly depressing news. The emotional reaction to things as joyous as the birth of a child, the achievements of others, even the contagious things like receiving a smile from someone else, are not felt any differently from news such as the death of a loved one. It is a constant state of very deep trauma that is immune from reason. You cannot talk your way through it, nor reason your way through it. This is often why medication to mitigate the symptoms is the alternative with the most acceptable trade-offs.
I think we promote this continued misunderstanding as long as we use the same term to refer to things we are temporarily depressed about as we do with this mental disorder.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:12 pm to KeyserSoze999
100% agree
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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Mental disease is harder for the layperson to reconcile.
+1
Should have been the end of the thread here.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:16 pm to KeyserSoze999
Disagree, and willing to call the people who've agreed...well...morons.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:17 pm to Manzielathon
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But if you have kids and you do it, I don't have words for those kinds of people. Makes my blood boil.
His youngest "kid" was 23 years old. How old does the "kid" have to be before it's ok for a mentally ill person to end his life in your (uneducated) opinion?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:17 pm to Willie Stroker
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It is a constant state of very deep trauma that is immune from reason.
I think it is dangerous to equate clinical depression with insanity - which you are suggesting here.
I do empathize with those who are suffering from depression and other mood disorders. We've come great lengths in identifying many of these underlying problems and treating some of them.
However, when you have an ultrasuccessful person, who succeeds despite the impairment, throw in substance abuse and situational stressors, I guess it is a wonder we don't see more stories like Robin Williams.
However, if he couldn't see what impact he had on his fans, his friends and his family, and couldn't/wouldn't get help during a particularly low point - I'm not sure what additional handwringing or bloviating we could do about it.
What am I missing?
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:18 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:Which version of Rollins' s "truth" are you referring to?
Agree, finally someone in Hollywood with balls enough to tell the truth
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:20 pm to NC_Tigah
He's probably referring to the lie masquerading as truth that rednecks and hillbillies can more swiftly fit into their narrow world view.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:23 pm to ocelot4ark
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rednecks and hillbillies can more swiftly fit into their narrow world view.
quote:Spoken with a degree of expertise, no doubt
ocelot4ark
Arkansas Fan
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:23 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Mental disease is harder for the layperson to reconcile.
I don't understand killing yourself because I'm not clinically depressed but I'm smart enough to understand that some people are and suffer with it every day.
They don't think rationally in the depths of despair.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:28 pm to dagrippa
I don't understand it. And we've had at least one poliboard poster commit suicide. It's not a rationale act. And if someone gets to that point in his/her life, it's a point I can't imagine. If I cannot imagine it, if I cannot understand it, I certainly cannot judge it.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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Spoken with a degree of expertise, no doubt
New York, NY =/= narrow world view.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:30 pm to dagrippa
I don't think I'm qualified to make assessments on why someone else decided "going out on the ice" was best for them, but I couldn't ever do that to my family. I've known relatives of suicide victims and to me, they were the true victim. Some scarred for life.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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but I couldn't ever do that to my family.
But you've just assured us you aren't qualified to speak about mental illness. No one knows for sure how their mind would manifest itself when dealing with something like that.
This whole debate, to me, is about like someone bitching at an Alzheimer's patient for not remembering their grandson's name.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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However, if he couldn't see what impact he had on his fans, his friends and his family, and couldn't/wouldn't get help during a particularly low point - I'm not sure what additional handwringing or bloviating we could do about it.
What am I missing?
You are expecting rational thoughts form a person with a mental illness.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:46 pm to ocelot4ark
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New York, NY =/= narrow world view.
Everyone's close-minded but you.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 2:48 pm
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