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re: War on Prescription Drugs; Hydrocodone now schedule II
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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From Yale:
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Children who use marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than non-marijuana users.
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Children who drink are 50 times more likely to use cocaine than non-drinkers.
From Yale:
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“Part of our aim was to demonstrate how the emerging epidemic of prescription opioids is a major issue that the general population doesn’t recognize,” Fiellin said. “They don’t recognize that that abuse does fall into the same category as hard, illicit drugs.”
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:43 pm to FightinTigersDammit
It obviously does, but not to an extent that warrants the federal governments current position on any and all drugs.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:43 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Are you saying drug use has no societal effect?
I don't think anyone has said this. But are you saying ALL drug use has a negative societal effect?
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:44 pm to Manzielathon
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Cute deflection. All of those issues are more pressing matters and affect a vast amount more people and cost a vast amount more to deal with as a society.
Not deflecting a damn thing. Start a thread on any of them.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:45 pm to darkhorse
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Children who use marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than non-marijuana users.
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Children who drink are 50 times more likely to use cocaine than non-drinkers.
From Yale:
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“Part of our aim was to demonstrate how the emerging epidemic of prescription opioids is a major issue that the general population doesn’t recognize,” Fiellin said. “They don’t recognize that that abuse does fall into the same category as hard, illicit drugs.”
That has absolutely nothing to do with rates of addiction.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That has absolutely nothing to do with rates of addiction.
This has everything to do with legalizing drugs and the effects. Part of that is addiction. That was shown in the links to the ACA allocating money for new rehabs due to the increases in addictions.
It all goes together. And yes, they do talk about addiction too.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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. But are you saying ALL drug use has a negative societal effect?
I said earlier I've come to favor marijuana legalization. We're wasting way too much money fighting a non-dangerous drug
Posted on 8/24/14 at 4:59 pm to darkhorse
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This has everything to do with legalizing drugs and the effects. Part of that is addiction
Oh, dear god. You said these studies showed increasing rates of addiction. They show nothing of the sort.
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. That was shown in the links to the ACA allocating money for new rehabs due to the increases in addictions.
The population has grown exponentially, we will have more addicts. The rates of addiction are about the same. I think some people just don't understand he difference between addiction and abuse.
Tighter regulations on prescription drugs which people abuse will cause people to seek illegal alternatives.
Your real problem with rehab centers is the fact that courts order people into rehab for something like underage drinking, simple possession, etc. It's a billion dollar business in which the courts are happy to fell seats and beds
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It all goes together. And yes, they do talk about addiction too.
No, it doesn't The casual user is nothing like an addict.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
In fact Roger, I will lay it all out there.
In america, we reached the point of "I want what I want and it's my right to have what I want, when I want it". We have been that way for some time. Then when the issues pop up from that, we don't want to face the actual problem, we want to fix the manifestation of that problem.
Points:
1- I want sex at anytime with anybody I choose and it's my right. Sexual revolution BABY!!! Oh wait... Women got prego and what now. OH.. we abort it. Just get rid of it and all is fine. Except for the issues and complications emotional and physically. But we got a drug...
Oh wait... we got STDs.. like AID.. can't fix that shite yet. Herpes.. can't fix that yet... but we can educate on use of a condom.
2- I want my drugs man! Cool dude! Now we are facing the same mind set. There's no problem with that. It's all the man... the gov... they don't want me to have my fun!
So we get to deal with the stupid decisions of people who demand they have their god given rights to party cause it don't effect ANYBODY!
That's where we are. And it's total BS. You will win. And we all will pay the price. You and everybody else pulling for won't give 2 shits about the costs. You will just demand the gov to do something about it....
Oh wait.. the ACA is already here and allocating for more rehabs! YAY!
In america, we reached the point of "I want what I want and it's my right to have what I want, when I want it". We have been that way for some time. Then when the issues pop up from that, we don't want to face the actual problem, we want to fix the manifestation of that problem.
Points:
1- I want sex at anytime with anybody I choose and it's my right. Sexual revolution BABY!!! Oh wait... Women got prego and what now. OH.. we abort it. Just get rid of it and all is fine. Except for the issues and complications emotional and physically. But we got a drug...
Oh wait... we got STDs.. like AID.. can't fix that shite yet. Herpes.. can't fix that yet... but we can educate on use of a condom.
2- I want my drugs man! Cool dude! Now we are facing the same mind set. There's no problem with that. It's all the man... the gov... they don't want me to have my fun!
So we get to deal with the stupid decisions of people who demand they have their god given rights to party cause it don't effect ANYBODY!
That's where we are. And it's total BS. You will win. And we all will pay the price. You and everybody else pulling for won't give 2 shits about the costs. You will just demand the gov to do something about it....
Oh wait.. the ACA is already here and allocating for more rehabs! YAY!
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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. It's a billion dollar business in which the courts are happy to fell seats and beds
There it is. I knew it wouldn't be far behind. It's the gov in bed with who this time? There is no actual problem.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:09 pm to Lsut81
Junkie?
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:11 pm to Lsut81
I know a guy who went psychotic on adderal. His doc never noticex because he was calling it in
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:11 pm to darkhorse
You aren't even discussing the issue at this point, just more and more and more hypotheticals and anecdotes.
You're really bad at this posting on the internet thing.
Just like we can educate people that drugs are bad, and harmful to the goals of society, without throwing hundreds of thousands of people in prison, killing people in no-knock raids, going to the wrong houses in no-knock raids, and so on and so forth.
You're really bad at this posting on the internet thing.
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but we can educate on use of a condom.
Just like we can educate people that drugs are bad, and harmful to the goals of society, without throwing hundreds of thousands of people in prison, killing people in no-knock raids, going to the wrong houses in no-knock raids, and so on and so forth.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:12 pm to darkhorse
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There it is. I knew it wouldn't be far behind. It's the gov in bed with who this time? There is no actual problem.
You have far too much trust in government and authority.
Rehab should be for people with addiction problems, not casual users.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:16 pm to darkhorse
I'm fine with things like adderal being available for recreational use. The problem I see is when doctors fool their patients into thinking its medically necessary when in reality they (the onez who write pain and speed scrips pike candy) are really just drug dealers selling people what they want
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:19 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Dude just STFU. Please. For God sakes, just STFU.
The problem I see is when doctors fool their patients into thinking its medically necessary
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:20 pm to Manzielathon
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War on Prescription Drugs; Hydrocodone now schedule II Again, obesity alcohol and tobacco all cause more harm individually than most drugs combined. Start fixing the actual problems then we can talk.
This is very true in volume. It is astounding how many people become habituated/addicted to these opiates because they have been prescribed them for chronic pain. You know anyone who has been taking opiate painkillers for more than a year? I had a consultation 2 weeks ago with a 60 year old lady whose MD began prescribing her pain meds in 2008. She is now taking (per prescription) a Percocet 10 every 2-3 hours and wearing a fentanyl patch daily. I've met countless others who have beat, lost, or are currently fighting a battle with prescription opiates. It is a very serious problem and has led to the resurgence of heroin.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:23 pm to darkhorse
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darkhorse
You're exactly right, of course. But you can't argue sense with a pot head.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:30 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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You're exactly right, of course. But you can't argue sense with a pot head.
Right. Everyone who advocates for drug reform is a pot head.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 5:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Right. Everyone who advocates for drug reform is a pot head.
In the minds of absolute imbeciles, yes.
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