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re: Final Four. Little League World Series. Guess what? Race in play?
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:23 pm to Zach
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:23 pm to Zach
There were sissies back in the day. But they were ridiculed until they learned better. Nowadays you'd be labeled a bully for laughing at a kid crying for sucking at a sport.
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:24 pm to Zach
quote:Nevada's best pitcher gave up a 2 run HR in the 1st of 2nd. He settled down but struggled toward the end of his pitch count. When he was taken out because of pitch limit, his coach wanted him to go to a field position and he refused. Another pitcher came in (has been injured most of the tournament and gave up a hit). Moved him to 2nd and with tears in his eyes, made an error the next batter. These kids are 12 and 13 and it's lots of pressure. But still.... the best you can do is all can do.
I didn't watch the game. Did they really cry? It's like a thread I started the other day. What's up with this?
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:28 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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There were sissies back in the day. But they were ridiculed until they learned better. Nowadays you'd be labeled a bully for laughing at a kid crying for sucking at a sport.
That's true. Ridicule was like attitude adjustment. Or social normalization. Without it a kid could go to school with a pile of dog shite on his head and say "If you ridicule me you are not being tolerant."
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:32 pm to Diamondawg
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When he was taken out because of pitch limit, his coach wanted him to go to a field position and he refused.
You're kidding? Wussification can't be that bad.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:38 pm to Zach
Well, re the crying thing...I must say that I found it somewhat disconcerting; and indicative of inferior character/coaching. But like someone pointed out, they are kids. Not so for the coach. Probably spoiled rotten and wallowing in self-importance...and have never faced serious loss. That tall pitcher would have got an arse-chewing if I'd been his coach. Pouting/hissy-fit, because someone else triumphs...sucks.
All in all, I found sympathy for the Chicago underdogs; maybe it'll help in that cesspool of cultural rot up there. I'm glad they won. But for them who see it as a race triumph...they'll only go deeper into a game that they can never win. False pride...is fool's gold.
Will make for an interesting final.
All in all, I found sympathy for the Chicago underdogs; maybe it'll help in that cesspool of cultural rot up there. I'm glad they won. But for them who see it as a race triumph...they'll only go deeper into a game that they can never win. False pride...is fool's gold.
Will make for an interesting final.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:38 pm to Zach
quote:Not kidding but I could be wrong. He was also one of their better hitters. They had 2 on with the #1 hitter up with one out. He hit into a double play to end the game but had his at bat come up, they would have had to pinch hit. I think he batted 3rd. Nevada was batting in the top half so they needed 2 runs to tie and as many as they could get because Chicago still had a bottom 6th at bat.
You're kidding?
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:45 pm to trackfan
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If Black kids aren't interested in the sport, it shouldn't be up to MLB to gin up interest.
As a private organization its their business & their choice to reach out to a certain demographic if they have lost interest/lack opportunities. . Why shouldn't they reach out of to certain demographics if they feel it may be good for business long term?
As the record breaking Television ratings for Philly (Mone Davis) & the the Chicago team proves that its been great for LLWS.
Yao Ming/Jeremy Lin, Mone Davis, Woods,etc... Have proven that diversity in sports is good.
And most here speak in glowing terms about the lessons organized sports teaches so it's good for the kids/community as well.. Win-win for everyone involved .
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:48 pm to HonoraryCoonass
quote:yes, it's our obsession with sports.
There's a reason why schools have athletic departments.
For example, foreign universities seem to do fine without sports teams.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 5:55 pm to Zach
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I would say that you are probably right about that. And to show the stupidity of MLB, they try to attract black interest in baseball by having "Jackie Robinson" year every other year. If white people stop watching the NBA are they gonna have "George Mikan" Year?
As usual.
Its about participation & many or most inner city schools have no baseball teams or no good community little league.
Whites have no participation issues with Basketball since every Junior High & High School across America has a Basketball team. Whites numbers in the NBA aren't low because of lack of opportunities, good programs , nor lack of participation etc.....as with Baseball & minorities.
Jackie Robinson Day honors the memory of the 1st Black Modern MLB player & is more than some cynical ploy to get Blacks (who never saw him play) interested.
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 8/23/14 at 6:12 pm to Zach
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I didn't watch the game. Did they really cry? It's like a thread I started the other day. What's up with this?
The ace pitchers for both Chicago and Nevada were crying until they exhausted the pitch count and were pulled. I'm guessing both of them are used to mowing down kids in their local league and have never been shelled like that before.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 6:13 pm to trackfan
quote:You think those pitchers were shelled?
shelled like that before
Posted on 8/23/14 at 6:20 pm to sugar71
quote:
As a private organization its their business & their choice to reach out to a certain demographic if they have lost interest/lack opportunities. . Why shouldn't they reach out of to certain demographics if they feel it may be good for business long term?
If it's a business decision or if they're trying to make the sport more affordable and accessible for some kids, that's one thing, but I see no moral imperative to create interest.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 6:23 pm to Jbird
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You think those pitchers were shelled?
Considering what's probably normal for them, yes, they were shelled. I'd like to see the regular season stats for the two aces.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 6:28 pm to trackfan
quote:Nope not even, starting with district play the competition is tough.
Considering what's probably normal for them, yes, they were shelled
Posted on 8/23/14 at 6:51 pm to trackfan
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If it's a business decision or if they're trying to make the sport more affordable and accessible for some kids, that's one thing, but I see no moral imperative to create interest.
It's certainly a long term business decision to reach out to a community (African Americans)that once was about 30% of the MLB players in the mid 70's.
I read recently even in 1959 when the last MLB team integrated Blacks were nearly 20% of the MLB players . Today Blacks are in single digits & with its waning popularity Baseball realizes it should reach back out to a large fanbase that seems to have lost interest
It's not really a moral imperative than good PR in the communities & long term business decision to gain back some of those fans /viewers they once had in the Black community.
I think the record ratings this year for the LLWS gives the MLB confidence that they may be on to something. Don't know if it will suceed in getting the desired effect(more diversity/viewers), but they feel with plummeting interest it's worth a try.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 7:02 pm to sugar71
The relationship between Black folks and MLB is very similar to the relationship between White folks and the NBA. The percentage of Whites in the NBA is the same today as it was 40 years ago, but what's happening is that White Americans are being supplanted by White Europeans. Similarly, Black Americans are being slowly supplanted by Black Hispanics in MLB, while the overall percentage of Blacks has remained constant.
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 8/23/14 at 7:47 pm to trackfan
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The relationship between Black folks and MLB is very similar to the relationship between White folks and the NBA.
Absolutely . I don't have the exact numbers for Black Hispanics ,but with them Black participation is probably close to the same overall .
However ,despite the awesome success of Pedro Martinez, Big Papi & a young sensation like Puig (?) they don't seem to resonate, in the Black community , as much as MLB would like. Just as many Foreign born White NBA players don't resonate as much as a White kid from Indiana wrecking the League would (Granted Larry Bird was a great & unique player).
This whole experiment may not bear much fruit, but the MLB thinks that gaining Little League fans/players in the Black community may lead to Baseball fans for life at least(If not just great MLB players).
Time will tell.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 7:59 pm to Diamondawg
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Nevada's best pitcher gave up a 2 run HR in the 1st of 2nd. He settled down but struggled toward the end of his pitch count. When he was taken out because of pitch limit, his coach wanted him to go to a field position and he refused. Another pitcher came in (has been injured most of the tournament and gave up a hit). Moved him to 2nd and with tears in his eyes, made an error the next batter. These kids are 12 and 13 and it's lots of pressure. But still.... the best you can do is all can do.
No he didn't, he had to go into the dugout to get his fielding glove. Was he happy? No, but he went into the field as he was asked.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 8:02 pm to sugar71
quote:Good black baseball players coming out of high school that get offered any kind of money sign and wash out in the minors. So most people never hear of them. If they would instead go to college and improve under the tutelage of decent college coaches, they might have a better chance to get to the majors.
This whole experiment may not bear much fruit, but the MLB thinks that gaining Little League fans/players in the Black community may lead to Baseball fans for life at least(If not just great MLB players).
Posted on 8/23/14 at 8:02 pm to Diamondawg
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