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Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:31 pm to trackfan
Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:35 pm to NC_Tigah
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posted the video.
Thanks.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:35 pm to trackfan
Did the rev have a stroke or does he have a speech impediment? Has he always talked like that ?
Posted on 8/24/14 at 3:59 pm to Zilla
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Did the rev have a stroke or does he have a speech impediment? Has he always talked like that ?
I honestly think that some of these big players become so enthralled with their own (perceived) personas/eccentricities...that they become caricatures of themselves over time. I always think of that senior Dem. Senator from the NE who hangs his glasses on the tip of his nose. And for some reason...John Kerry...playing the 'distinguished, high-society diplomat' role.
Oh well. It's all good!
Posted on 8/24/14 at 6:59 pm to NHTIGER
I just watched the segment. Here is my summary and viewpoint (if anyone GAF ):
1. I can't understand 2/3 of what Jackson says. Does he have a dick in his mouth?
2. Carson is very well spoken. (And I say this because after hearing Jackson talk like he has a dick in his mouth, it's nice to be able to understand someone). He addressed issues from his childhood as well as seeing excessive police force. He also mentioned that this may not be a "police vs black issue". He admitted being a troubled youth himself.
3. Carson mentioned taking taking race out of the issue and taking a group of young men and raising them with no respect for authority, personal responsibility, etc. they are more likely to become victims of incarceration. He admitted that there is racism, but there are bigger issues.
4. Jackson was pissed at this point. His speech became even more turrible. He does not like the stat that 91% of black males are killed by other black males, not police. He is still insisting that it is racial. He just said that "when blacks kill whites, which is rare, there is swift justice (
) I didn't understand wtf he said about the others.
5. Carson is questioned on the ratio of the number of white officers to black citizens in Ferguson. His answer: go vote, take responsibility for what happens to yourself and stop blaming others. Only you can change it.
6. Jackson is really pissed. His frown looks like the Joker at this point. He admitted that culture is a problem then mentioned Rosa Parks and cultural harassing of black of people. Somehow Rosa Parks is apparently tied to black unemployment (due to the dick in his mouth, I can't understand wtf he is saying). Something about separate and equal and free and unequal. Wants a White House conference on jobs, justice, and equality.
7. Carson thanks Jackson for working with Dr King. He says that they're not on separate sides of the issue. They just present it different ways. He doesn't want people to be dependent. Wants to talk to the black community about making money on their own.
Then the segment ended.
Very underwhelming. This wasn't a debate. I wanted to see carson smoke him. We need an hour long segment. We could let Jesse and Al team up against Dr Carson.
Dr. Carson has my full respect. Not because he is conservative, but because he is brilliant and doesn't use race as an excuse. He believes in personal accountability and he is able to stand behind his statements with facts.
): 1. I can't understand 2/3 of what Jackson says. Does he have a dick in his mouth?
2. Carson is very well spoken. (And I say this because after hearing Jackson talk like he has a dick in his mouth, it's nice to be able to understand someone). He addressed issues from his childhood as well as seeing excessive police force. He also mentioned that this may not be a "police vs black issue". He admitted being a troubled youth himself.
3. Carson mentioned taking taking race out of the issue and taking a group of young men and raising them with no respect for authority, personal responsibility, etc. they are more likely to become victims of incarceration. He admitted that there is racism, but there are bigger issues.
4. Jackson was pissed at this point. His speech became even more turrible. He does not like the stat that 91% of black males are killed by other black males, not police. He is still insisting that it is racial. He just said that "when blacks kill whites, which is rare, there is swift justice (
) I didn't understand wtf he said about the others. 5. Carson is questioned on the ratio of the number of white officers to black citizens in Ferguson. His answer: go vote, take responsibility for what happens to yourself and stop blaming others. Only you can change it.
6. Jackson is really pissed. His frown looks like the Joker at this point. He admitted that culture is a problem then mentioned Rosa Parks and cultural harassing of black of people. Somehow Rosa Parks is apparently tied to black unemployment (due to the dick in his mouth, I can't understand wtf he is saying). Something about separate and equal and free and unequal. Wants a White House conference on jobs, justice, and equality.
7. Carson thanks Jackson for working with Dr King. He says that they're not on separate sides of the issue. They just present it different ways. He doesn't want people to be dependent. Wants to talk to the black community about making money on their own.
Then the segment ended.
Very underwhelming. This wasn't a debate. I wanted to see carson smoke him. We need an hour long segment. We could let Jesse and Al team up against Dr Carson.
Dr. Carson has my full respect. Not because he is conservative, but because he is brilliant and doesn't use race as an excuse. He believes in personal accountability and he is able to stand behind his statements with facts.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 8:39 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
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1. I can't understand 2/3 of what Jackson says. Does he have a dick in his mouth?
yup
they should have put you on there with jackson, no doubt he would have left with his tail between his legs
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:42 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
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Very underwhelming. This wasn't a debate. I wanted to see carson smoke him.
Me too. Only reason this probably didn't happen is because I doubt JJ would have consented to appearing on Fox at all if he knew he might get embarrassed.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:45 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
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Here is my summary and viewpoint (if anyone GAF
Thanks for the summary, I didn't watch it but was curious.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:26 am to constant cough
Here's the transcript
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Reverend Jackson, let me start with you. And I want to start with how you characterize the shooting of Michael Brown by that police officer. Here you are.
REV. JESSE JACKSON, PRESIDENT, RAINBOW/PUSH COALITION: How many times was he shot, and where was he shot, and why did he lie in the street for several hours? That was a kind of a state execution.
WALLACE: State execution. Reverend Jackson, how can you say that when you really have no idea what happened in that shooting?
JACKSON: Well, what I do know is he was shot, shot unarmed, and shot six times. And it's a pattern, whether it was the killing of Trayvon Martin or the killing of (inaudible), the killing of Diallo in New York, shot 41 times, the police walked away free. The Oscar Grant case in Oakland or the case of Rodney King in L.A. At some point, we require and need to meet -- we need to have a sense of justice. All we do know about Michael Brown is really he was shot unarmed six times.
WALLACE: Well, there has been a contention, the only point that I'd make, that he hit the officer in the face. And there are various unconfirmed reports about how severe that was. There is another report that he was charging at the officer. I mean I guess the question is, if we don't know, why are we declaring a verdict?
JACKSON: Well, it seems to me that the police acted as judge, jury, and executioner. And even on the worst scenario, if he had hit him in the face, does that require at a distance, I was there where he'd been shot, about 20 feet, does that mean you shoot him six times, four times at point blank range? I don't think so.
WALLACE: Dr. Carson, what do you think of what Reverend Jackson has been saying?
DR. BEN CARSON, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, you know, I think the issues are really much bigger than what has been portrayed to be. And it can't be resolved in a short segment like this. But, you know, I've seen police excessive living in inner city Detroit and inner city Boston. But I've seen a lot more situations where the police saved the situation. And I'm not sure that this is a police versus black community issue.
You know, as a youngster, you know, I had anger problems also. But for the grace of God, I wouldn't be talking to you today. I tried to stab another youngster with a knife. A belt buckle saved him. You know, anger issues get in the way. And if you take race out of the issue altogether, and you take a group of young men and you raise them with no respect for authority, not learning to take on personal responsibility, having easy access to drugs and alcohol, they're very likely to end up as victims of violence or incarceration. It has nothing to do with race. So, yes, is there racism? Are there problems? Yes. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow. But we need to start looking at bigger issues here. We only have 320 million people in this country. We're on a global stage where we are competing with countries with over 1 billion people. We have to save all of our people. They are all precious. And we have to develop our resources appropriately.
WALLACE: Reverend Jackson, I wanted you to pick up and to address what Dr. Carson said. And I also want to put up some numbers. Because while the people and the protesters in Ferguson have been focusing on the police, the numbers tell a different story, which Juan Williams referred to earlier. Homicide is the number one cause of death among black males between ages 15 and 34. And 91 percent of black murder victims are not killed by the police, but are killed by other blacks. So in a sense, are the protesters focusing on the wrong problem?
JACKSON: Well, first of all, I wish Dr. Carson and I were part of that white panel that you just had because it does have a race dimension. We should all -- we -- we come by it by our experience, differently than your previous guests, number one. Number two, it seems to me that when blacks kill whites, which is rare, it's swift justice. When whites kill blacks, it's rebellion (ph), when it's black on black, there's a shrug of the shoulders as a kind of (inaudible). Guns in, drugs in, jobs out. Racial disparity and alienation and mistrust are very combustible formulas, factors.
WALLACE: And on the other hand, and let's take that into account, Dr. Carson, because I want to put up some other numbers, if we have the capability. Here we go. Ferguson is 67 percent black. But on its 53-member police force, 50 of the 53 officers are white. Only three are black. And 86 percent of traffic stops in Ferguson last year targeted blacks. Dr. Carson, you talked about the young, angry Ben Carson in Detroit. If you were a young man living in Ferguson, wouldn't that be a big problem for you?
CARSON: It would be a big problem. And people in Ferguson and in all of the cities, I think, need to get more involved in the process. What percentage of people in Ferguson voted in the last statewide election? I think you'll find it was less than 20 percent of the black community. We need to get people involved in what's going on, without question. That will make a huge difference in what goes on. And also, you know, as a young person, the thing that changed me was my mother made me read books. And I read books about people of accomplishment. And what I came to understand is that the person who has the most to do with what happens to you in life is you. It's not the environment, and it's not somebody else. Do those things play a role? They do. And if you want to focus on them, you can have a life that is completely controlled by others. But you can take control of your own life. These are messages that we must get across to people. We must re-instill the can-do attitude in America, not the what can you do for me or what have you done to me attitude.
JACKSON: Well, culture is a big factor in our behavior. But Rosa Parks was not guilty, but the law says that coloreds from the rear, and whites from the front. There's a culture here of racial harassment of black people. We have three times the unemployment rate in the country. Number one infant mortality, number one in short life expectancy, number one in unemployment. And so we cannot escape the need for something since we are talking about broadly like the (inadible) commission report where we analyzed this broadly. We were separate and not equal. Now we are free and not equal. We must have a kind of White House conference on jobs, justice and equality, I'm convinced.
WALLACE: Dr. Carson?
CARSON: Just -- first of all, Reverend Jackson, thank you for what you have done in the past, particularly during your days with Reverend Martin Luther King. I appreciate it very much. And I would have to say that we really are not on different sides of this issue. Maybe we come at it from different points of view. But I think we all want the same thing. We want people to move up in our environment, not to be satisfied and not to be dependent. And there are a lot of interconnecting parts that go with that. We're going to have to remove some of the issues that are depressing the economy so that we can create the kinds of jobs and the kinds of right situations so that people have the kinds of options that they need. We need to talk in the black community about the trillion dollars of resources that exist there and how they need to learn how to turn over dollars in our own community before we send them out to develop wealth and how to reach back and pull others up. Some of the worn-out policies of the do- gooders have not helped the community.
WALLACE: Dr. Carson, we're going to have to leave it there. Obviously, a lot more to talk about on this very big subject. And I've got to say, even with all the technical difficulties, it was worth waiting for. Dr. Carson, Reverend Jackson, thank you both so much for joining us today.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:52 am to NC_Tigah
Carson comes off weak in front of Jackson. He did not confront the issues head-on, and he did not engage Jackson in their differences of opinion.
Sorry to slay your hero, but Carson is not president material just yet.
Sorry to slay your hero, but Carson is not president material just yet.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 6:56 am
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:05 am to NC_Tigah
Thanks for the transcript. Didn't see th provram.
Seemed pretty mild. Would have liked see Carson hit harder on state sponsored dysfunction.
And to praise JJ for his work with MLK without juxtaposing that with the last 3 decades of his race baiting which has led directly to the shite storm in the black culture was misplaced appeasement of that culture.
Very disappointed.
Seemed pretty mild. Would have liked see Carson hit harder on state sponsored dysfunction.
And to praise JJ for his work with MLK without juxtaposing that with the last 3 decades of his race baiting which has led directly to the shite storm in the black culture was misplaced appeasement of that culture.
Very disappointed.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 7:09 am
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:37 am to ChineseBandit58
I watched it, and I think some here may have missed one or two subtle shots which Carson took at Jackson. For example, Carson's comment where he praised the time Jackson worked with Martin Luther King, while subtle, was nonetheless a thing of pure beauty.
Why? Simply because Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968. THAT WAS 46 YEARS AGO! Trust me, Carson was absolutely taking a dump on Jackson's "solo activities" during the time since then. You know, the 46 YEARS SINCE THEN!
If you don't believe that, just go back and watch the end of that segment again. Jackson knew he had been insulted, because he was mad enough to spit nails!
That's actually the best way to BOOM somebody. Do it in a subtle, professional manner, and couch it in the overall guise of giving someone a compliment. Carson ended that segment on fire, and Jackson knew he had been owned.
Why? Simply because Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968. THAT WAS 46 YEARS AGO! Trust me, Carson was absolutely taking a dump on Jackson's "solo activities" during the time since then. You know, the 46 YEARS SINCE THEN!
If you don't believe that, just go back and watch the end of that segment again. Jackson knew he had been insulted, because he was mad enough to spit nails!
That's actually the best way to BOOM somebody. Do it in a subtle, professional manner, and couch it in the overall guise of giving someone a compliment.
Carson ended that segment on fire, and Jackson knew he had been owned.This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 7:47 am
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:42 am to KCT
PS - Regarding Obama's comments about rich people believing in non-violence, I just have one question:
Why does he say "they"?
Why does he say "they"?
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 8:09 am
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:01 am to KCT
Every time I hear Dr Carson I'm more and more impressed with him. Do I think he's POTUS material, yes I do and it's because he constantly takes COMMON SENSE approaches to issues and is a large proponent of personal accountability. His tale of his youth should be one for young black Americans everywhere to emulate. ANY race for that matter.
Even though he's never help a public office I think he's just the anti-establishment person DC needs right now. Another DC retread will just give us more of the same.
Even though he's never help a public office I think he's just the anti-establishment person DC needs right now. Another DC retread will just give us more of the same.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:08 am to Stingray
quote:In fairness to Carson, it's probably difficult to engage "(inaudible)"
he did not engage Jackson in their differences of opinion
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:46 am to NC_Tigah
Thanks for that transcript, NC; always easier to slow it down and measure the words that are spoken of the cuff. "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh" (Biblical). Wanna know who somebody is...take away the teleprompter, and any foreknowledge of what questions will be offered. You'll get the real person then.
The essence of Jackson v Carson is found in their attitude, which is the basis for their possible solution. Jackson sees the solution as being money from successful society to lend support to them who are down; money to do specifically what, I don't know, and he don't either. He is militant and angry, believing that such is a moral impetus; and that for society not to deliver (money)...is race based.
Carson believes - and promotes - with his persona and accomplishment...a positive and responsible attitude. Only then, would any money directed at programs work to solve the problem. You can lead a horse to water...but you can't make him drink.
Jackson's militancy ends up in division, disrespect for Law, contempt and ultimate violence. Begetting only more, as folk rally to racial partition. Working folk are fed up throwing good money after bad; just like with nation-building in Muslim Nations...going nowhere until ATTITUDES change.
Carson would be, what Obama could have been, for Bla...make that ALL AMERICANS. That alone would mitigate any political skill deficit that he would manifest. Hell...skilled politicians are a dime a dozen anyway; let him hire the right folk to do the HONEST nuts and bolts stuff.
Hey NC, I thought about you this morning. I was looking at that infamous picture of Obama in the golf cart right after the Foley Speech...big, wild grin...shades.......and I swear it looked just like that wild Jim Carrey character in the movie with the Jack Russell terrier (Milo was the pup's name; can't recall the movie name). I imagined - given your extraordinary skill - just what you could do with that photo. A good laugh to start the day!
The essence of Jackson v Carson is found in their attitude, which is the basis for their possible solution. Jackson sees the solution as being money from successful society to lend support to them who are down; money to do specifically what, I don't know, and he don't either. He is militant and angry, believing that such is a moral impetus; and that for society not to deliver (money)...is race based.
Carson believes - and promotes - with his persona and accomplishment...a positive and responsible attitude. Only then, would any money directed at programs work to solve the problem. You can lead a horse to water...but you can't make him drink.
Jackson's militancy ends up in division, disrespect for Law, contempt and ultimate violence. Begetting only more, as folk rally to racial partition. Working folk are fed up throwing good money after bad; just like with nation-building in Muslim Nations...going nowhere until ATTITUDES change.
Carson would be, what Obama could have been, for Bla...make that ALL AMERICANS. That alone would mitigate any political skill deficit that he would manifest. Hell...skilled politicians are a dime a dozen anyway; let him hire the right folk to do the HONEST nuts and bolts stuff.
Hey NC, I thought about you this morning. I was looking at that infamous picture of Obama in the golf cart right after the Foley Speech...big, wild grin...shades.......and I swear it looked just like that wild Jim Carrey character in the movie with the Jack Russell terrier (Milo was the pup's name; can't recall the movie name). I imagined - given your extraordinary skill - just what you could do with that photo. A good laugh to start the day!
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:17 am to Stingray
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Carson comes off weak in front of Jackson. He did not confront the issues head-on, and he did not engage Jackson in their differences of opinion.
Sorry to slay your hero, but Carson is not president material just yet.
I don't think Carson went on the show to get into a pissing contest with Jackson though that seems to be what many here were looking for. He's not an entertainer looking to provide sound bites that talk radio can play this week for entertainment. His message is basically the same as Bill Cosby's message, which is that in this day and age, though racism still exists, poor Black folks should quit blaming "the man" for their failures and get on with the business improving the lives of themselves and their kids in spite inequalities that still exist. Jackson's message is the same today as it was 50 years ago.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:20 am to trackfan
Yep.
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