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re: Elizabeth Warren's Answer For Student Loan Debt - Tax Rich People

Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:22 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123743 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:22 pm to
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How about not taking out a student loan for fricking masters in German fricking Polka History?


Everyone on student loans does that. You're right. Billions every year, poured into German fricking Polka HIstory.

You make a good point.
Indeed he does!

Of course, in your moocher's mentality world, personal responsibility never exists. Your approach is a corollary to the "You-didn't-build-that" BS. The TUba corollary . . . "I'm not responsible for what I built (or didn't build)," aka "I'm-never-responsible-for-my-own-decisions."

In Spidy-world, poor personal decisions, lassitude, indolence, etc. are always someone else's problem. They are always someone else's fault. Always!

End result: An incapable, incompetent, insecure adult who is so dependency addicted, he has no idea how to rehabilitate. He absolutely loathes independent, successful individuals. Yet he realizes he needs them, as he shimmies up to them hoping to latch on, and suck off their resources, like a fat leech.
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16089 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:31 pm to
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Indeed he does! Of course, in your moocher's mentality world, personal responsibility never exists. Your approach is a corollary to the "You-didn't-build-that" BS. The TUba corollary . . . "I'm not responsible for what I built (or didn't build)," aka "I'm-never-responsible-for-my-own-decisions." In Spidy-world, poor personal decisions, lassitude, indolence, etc. are always someone else's problem. They are always someone else's fault. Always! End result: An incapable, incompetent, insecure adult who is so dependency addicted, he has no idea how to rehabilitate. He absolutely loathes independent, successful individuals. Yet he realizes he needs them, as he shimmies up to them hoping to latch on, and suck off their resources, like a fat leech.


Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71284 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:37 pm to
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When did it become wrong for people to have to work their arse off and get good grades and try hard to get scholarships to go to college? Or work their arse off and slowly pay their way through school? Not everyone has the money to pay immediately and.live off mom and dad, but there are plenty of ways for people to go to school without getting themselves involved in student loans. I don't feel sorry for anyone struggling from taking these out. They weren't required.



Maybe because I was working 40 hours a week to pay for where I lived and food. I'm paying back my student loans and haven't missed a beat. Aka go frick yourself.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:39 pm to
Elizabeth Warren;don't care
Posted by yattan
Member since Nov 2013
897 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 2:04 pm to
Elizabeth Warren/Michelle Obama ticket 2016! Just wait and see.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 3:56 pm to
That's just awful.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57106 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:16 am to
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How does Elizabeth Warren not recognize that the government guaranteeing students easy access to credit is the reason for the sharp increase in tuition over the past two decades?


This is a true statement.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64883 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:57 am to
I have student loan debt and, while it sucks, I don't think a rich man should have to pay it back for me. It's my debt, not Donald Trump's.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48285 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:06 pm to
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How about only the wealthy get to go to college and everyone else becomes a worker bee?


I came from a middle class family. Made good enough grades to have my undergrad paid for, used six figures of student loans to pay for law school and paid them all off in six years.

frick your bullshite, class warfare strawman arguments.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34540 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:08 pm to
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I have student loan debt and, while it sucks, I don't think a rich man should have to pay it back for me. It's my debt, not Donald Trump's.


Incredibly lucid argument, from a Tide fan.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18048 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:26 pm to
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RollTide1987

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I have student loan debt


The difference is that at Alabama, y'all pay off your tuition in produce and live chickens.



Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39545 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:26 pm to
I see we got 30 posts shitting on students and maybe 3 posts about the real issue.

The system that exists now has created amazing economic irrationality by all parties. Colleges get paid regardless and have no incentive to keep costs down. Many college able students have to pay sticker price, a price that is inflated and can't possibly be paid off by working in many cases, etc. Scholarships aren't 100% merit based and that term lacks objectivity to begin with. Such a clusterfrick.

Those that say "students can only blame themselves" are missing the macro issues, because in the long term we also don't want college able students flooding non-degree fields and fricking that economy all up too.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57011 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 8:30 pm to
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Why does anyone at all need to be taxed to pay for someone else's student loans?
This... is question you are not likely to see answered. Why should "the public" pay for what amounts to an elective personal expense?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 8:41 pm to
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Yeah these are all useless jobs:
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So what are the most commonly held careers for those with a bachelors degree in psychology? According to The College Majors Handbook, some of the top occupations that employ those with a bachelor's psychology degree are:
1. Top- and mid-level management and administration
2. Sales
3. Social work
4. Other management occupations
5. Labor-relations, personnel and training
6. Administrative positions
7. Real estate, business services and insurance
8. Marketing


LINK



hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

That is basically a marketing site for psychology programs.

SOME psych undergrads with nothing else may be doing those things but MOST are not and most people doing those things have better degrees.

A psychology undergrad is basically grades 13-16.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57011 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 8:49 pm to
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Fewer and fewer.


Twice as Many College Grads in Minimum Wage Jobs as 5 Years Ago

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The number of college graduates working minimum wage jobs is nearly 71 percent higher than it was a decade ago, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' latest figures. As of 2012, 284,000 college graduates were working at or below the minimum wage, up from 167,000 in 2002 and more than two times the pre-recession low of 127,000 in 2006. The cohort includes an estimated 30,000 people with masters' degrees, a figure that is more than twice as high as it was in 2002 and three times as high as in 2006.


53% of Recent college Grads are Jobless
Half Of Recent College Grads Work Jobs That Don't Require A Degree

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Of 41.7 million working college graduates in 2010, about 48 percent of the class of 2010 work jobs that require less than a bachelor’s degree, and 38 percent of those polled didn’t even need high school diplomas, the report found. Authors Richard Vedder, Jonathan Robe and Christopher Denhart said that the country could be overeducating its citizens, and asked if too many public dollars are spent on producing graduates that the nation's economy doesn't need.

In 2010, 39.3 percent of adults between the ages of 25 and 34 had a post-secondary degree, up from 38.8 percent in 2009. While the rate has creeped up steadily since 2008, underemployment has kept pace, according to Vedder's research -- the report found that the number of college grads will grow by 19 million between 2010 and 2020, while the number of jobs requiring that education is expected to grow by less than 7 million.


Recent college grads face 36% 'mal-employment' rate

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Of the nearly 3 million recent college grads, 152,000 are working in retail sales and nearly 100,000 work as waiters, bartenders or in other food service posts. Another 80,000 serve as clerks or customer service representatives, with 60,000 working in construction or manual labor.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57011 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 8:56 pm to
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End result: An incapable, incompetent, insecure adult who is so dependency addicted, he has no idea how to rehabilitate. He absolutely loathes independent, successful individuals. Yet he realizes he needs them, as he shimmies up to them hoping to latch on, and suck off their resources, like a fat leech.
Channeling Rand?
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:19 pm to
I don't see a problem with the cutting of the interest rate to make it easier for someone to pay back the student loans.

The rich enjoy incredibly low interest rates on a lot of products.

Btw I work in banking. I am a fiscal conservative. Vote/lean republican.

Some of y'all are being very arrogant in your opinions.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57011 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:38 pm to
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The rich enjoy incredibly low interest rates on a lot of products.
"The rich" also enjoy Porsches. Shall we buy everyone a Porsche?

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I am a fiscal conservative.


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Some of y'all are being very arrogant in your opinions.
So now not being a proponent of paying for other's elective personal expenses that don't appear to even benefit most of them... is being arrogant?

Are you seriously telling me I should be willing to throw my money away into wasteful endeavors in the name of humility?

I associate wealth confiscation, malinvestment, and rewarding other's poor decision making with many words... humility isn't one of them however.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:55 pm to
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33935 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 12:06 am to
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I came from a middle class family. Made good enough grades to have my undergrad paid for, used six figures of student loans to pay for law school and paid them all off in six years.

frick your bullshite, class warfare strawman arguments.


Yeah you missed the point.
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