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re: No intelligence failure regarding Benghazi.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:33 pm to Rex
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:33 pm to Rex
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I punched in "Benghazi source: Fox News" into Google advanced search and found ZERO coverage there of the House Committee's UNANIMOUS bipartisan report which cleared Obama and Clinton and their Administration
The House Select Committee on Intelligence has not yet released its report. Some Dems on the committee gave partisan "previews" of it a few weeks ago before the congressional recess.
I repeat, for those of you who do not follow this subject closely, no one in the media or the public has yet seen this report.
When it is released, keep in mind that it likely mirrors the Senate Intelligence Committee's report, which had a common , mostly subjective section on factual events, followed by both a majority report and a minority report.
These two committees LIMITED the scope of their investigations to the involvement of the intelligence community in the Benghazi events. Period.
I have always made clear that the role of the intelligence community was a very minor part of the story, and I have never veered from that position. Same with the Department of Defense role.
The State Dept, and its senior staff were the villains of Benghazi and both the Senate and House Intelligence Committees have laid the blame squarely on State (the Senate in its final report and the House in its interim report).
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the House Committee's UNANIMOUS bipartisan report which cleared Obama and Clinton and their Administration
The above is a flat out LIE by Rex. Not a mistake. Not a misstatement. Not a misinterpretation.
It's a lie.
Let me add that he knows I take note of any thread with Benghazi in the title and he most likely started this thread primarily to get a reaction from me, since there is nothing at all new in what he posted.
I weighed whether to give him the satisfaction of inducing me into a response, but have chosen to do so for the purpose of enlightening the readers as to the fallacy of his information and conclusion.
I am not going to get into a back-and-forth with him in this thread because that's what he wants me to do, and quite frankly, it's a waste of time and effort.
I have expressed myself in no uncertain terms in this post, and will let it stand as my only post in this thread.
Form your own conclusions, believe or not believe, but let me be clear that Rex is lying here - and that's the way it is.
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:34 pm to Rex
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Isn't it odd how so few HERE have come back to eat their crow, considering how prominent was the topic?
It's not about eating crow. No, it's more about the old adage that it's pointless to argue with an idiot.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:56 pm to NHTIGER
In my included link, Congresswoman Schakowsky specifically says "there was absolutely no coverup", "no political motivation behind any of that", "this is an exoneration of any wrongdoing", "I, personally, have looked at EVERYTHING there is to look at", "there is absolutely no scandal"...
In other words, it's the absolute end of what you, yourself, said was the only remaining scandal... an alleged coverup.
bullshite. You're lying. I included a link to invite anyone to listen... it's very clear from her commentary that the scope of their investigations was not limited to the involvement of the intelligence community.
Mighty high on yourself. My post was aimed at EVERYBODY here who said outrageous things about Obama and Clinton without any basis except their own partisan wishes.
In other words, it's the absolute end of what you, yourself, said was the only remaining scandal... an alleged coverup.
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These two committees LIMITED the scope of their investigations to the involvement of the intelligence community in the Benghazi events. Period.
bullshite. You're lying. I included a link to invite anyone to listen... it's very clear from her commentary that the scope of their investigations was not limited to the involvement of the intelligence community.
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I weighed whether to give him the satisfaction of inducing me into a response,
Mighty high on yourself. My post was aimed at EVERYBODY here who said outrageous things about Obama and Clinton without any basis except their own partisan wishes.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:00 pm to Rex
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:11 pm to Rex
Rex, am I suppose to just take an Illinois democrats word before the actual report is released?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:14 pm to WeeWee
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Rex, am I suppose to just take an Illinois democrats word before the actual report is released?
Yes.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:16 pm to Rex
quote:Again, they placed a US Ambassador on 9/11, in an indefensible location, in a city long since evacuated by most other foreign services due to terrorist threats. He was murdered as a result. What would you have folks say about that?
who said outrageous things about Obama and Clinton without any basis except their own partisan wishes.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:35 pm to Rex
No clue. I don't watch fnc like you obviously do.
But four people were killed and it was a massive failure of a cover up attempt. That's what matters.
No worries though, the Dems are about to be railroaded.
But four people were killed and it was a massive failure of a cover up attempt. That's what matters.
No worries though, the Dems are about to be railroaded.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:09 pm to Rex
So the Ambassador was purposely put in harms way?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:22 pm to Rex
Rex do you believe the admin really thought it was the YouTube video or they were feeding us bullshite?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:47 pm to Rex
Let's see, so-called diplomatic facilities were being used to conduct operations that had nothing to do with consular operations. Exactly what those operations were have not been disclosed to the American public, but there can be little doubt those operations were being conducted by intelligence agencies rather than the State Department. Rather than explain what was happening in Benghazi we get a report from a Congressional Committee that basically says, let's just put this matter behind us.
No thanks. I think there was a deliberate attempt to keep the operations in Benghazi as low profile as possible. There was a conscious decision to trade security for stealth. Thus the repeated refusals to provide additional security personnel, as requested by Ambassador Stevens.
It is funny that you, the atheist who ridicules others for their faith in religions, are willing to accept something on faith when the evidence to prove, or disprove, the conclusion is available but being deliberately withheld from you. I choose to remain skeptical, and simply refuse to believe the conclusions drawn from evidence that is being intentionally withheld from me.
No thanks. I think there was a deliberate attempt to keep the operations in Benghazi as low profile as possible. There was a conscious decision to trade security for stealth. Thus the repeated refusals to provide additional security personnel, as requested by Ambassador Stevens.
It is funny that you, the atheist who ridicules others for their faith in religions, are willing to accept something on faith when the evidence to prove, or disprove, the conclusion is available but being deliberately withheld from you. I choose to remain skeptical, and simply refuse to believe the conclusions drawn from evidence that is being intentionally withheld from me.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:06 pm to Rex
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No scandal
Our diplomats were attacked over a 9+ hour period and we did nothing even though we had assets in the country and Americans died as a result. You seem fine with this.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:43 pm to Rex
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No intelligence failure regarding Benghazi.
Rex we get 2 weeks without having to hear about BENGHAZI and you gotta go bring it up?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:08 pm to ClydeFrog
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You seem fine with this.
He is fine with anything this administration does, absolutely anything...
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:09 pm to Rex
why the hell are people still talking about this non-issue?
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:34 pm to NHTIGER
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The above is a flat out LIE by Rex. Not a mistake. Not a misstatement. Not a misinterpretation. It's a lie. Let me add that he knows I take note of any thread with Benghazi in the title and he most likely started this thread primarily to get a reaction from me, since there is nothing at all new in what he posted.
NH Tiger, I am actually a fan of your work, but I have to ask you something: Did you listen/watch the link? The House Committee seems to have done a pretty exhaustive investigation that included State. But hey, "he said, she said."
This is my more curious question: What do you think Trey Gowdy could/will turn up, to put this back in the spotlight? What specifically are we looking for now?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:02 am to Rex
Agreed that Benghazi was daftly handled by the Obama regime.
Could you answer any of Gowdy's questions, though? I mean obviously you easily could, but would you humor me?
Could you answer any of Gowdy's questions, though? I mean obviously you easily could, but would you humor me?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:36 am to Rex
I was going to post this, But anyone who wants to know exactly wat happened with Benghazi go to Alen West's web sight and he has an investigators accounting 10 pages long, takes 20 - 30 minutes and the whole story is told.
The Obama administration was running weapons illegally to terrorist in Benghazi and Trey is going to expose the whole thing.
Hold in to your gay Horse meat Rex.
The Obama administration was running weapons illegally to terrorist in Benghazi and Trey is going to expose the whole thing.
Hold in to your gay Horse meat Rex.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 4:26 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:58 am to Rex
Dude all news can be biased but if you think Fox is the big offender here then just damn, just damn son. When the Ukraine/Russia situation blew up a few weeks ago the President was no where to be seen. This of course after Benghazi, the VA scandal, Israel begging for our help ( while Hamas is being portrayed as the victim on other networks), ISIS having a field day in Iraq, and our southern border disintegrating....among others. I flip to MSNBC and they mention none of this but instead spend a 10 min segment making fun of Gov. Rick Perry's glasses. Yeah Fox is the weak media link here. Good thing we have all those other truly fair and balanced networks
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:31 am to EthanL
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but I have to ask you something: Did you listen/watch the link? The House Committee seems to have done a pretty exhaustive investigation that included State. But hey, "he said, she said."
Ethan, yes, I listened to it twice , in fact, before responding to Rex.
Everything I stated in my first post I stand behind.
The report has not yet been released, so we are just hearing what several of the Democratic members of the committee are saying about it prior to release. That is customary for minority members of both House and Senate Committees. Please note that none of the Republicans on the committee have made any specific remarks about the report.
The Senate Intelligence Committee, which basically conducted parallel investigations regarding the INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S role in the Benghazi incident (but was actually short one key interview), came out with 14 Findings in January of this year. None of them absolved the administration or the State Dept. of any fault or blame for the Benghazi attacks. Yet some Dems, speaking to the masses, portrayed the report that way. Actually, the Senate Intelligence Committee Report focused 6 of its 14 findings on the State Dept. and 2 on the Dept. of Defense. It absolved the DOD of responsibility on two aspects of the debate, yet was critical of the State Dept. in all 6 of its related Findings. And, to be clear, these findings are in the common portion of the report, not in the minority report. Because these are Intelligence committees, with limited parameters within which they can work, their statements regarding State and DOD are peripheral conclusions that are interrelated with, and grew out of, the investigation of intelligence activities relative to Benghazi.
The interim House Intelligence Committee report, also released in January of this year, came to pretty much the same conclusions, and considering that very little took place in the committee after that date, other than the Morelli testimony, there is no reason to believe the final report will be much differentl than the interim report, which did not in any way absolve the State Dept. of blame in the attacks. In terms of the White House, the only reference in either committee to that is concerning the talking points memo, which no two people can agree on, and is not a major part of the story.
None of the reports issued by anyone, including the ARB Report, have anything good to say about the conduct and performance of the State Dept., and certainly none has "cleared" the Dept.
This House Select Committee on Intelligence Report, when it does get released, will contain nothing many of us did not already know, and I do mean nothing. (Classified information will be omitted, and will be redacted in any exhibits that may be attached.)
It's a "nothing-burger" - a report issued to close out the committee's work and turn all of their documents over to the House Select Committee, which will begin its real work in about a month.
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This is my more curious question: What do you think Trey Gowdy could/will turn up, to put this back in the spotlight? What specifically are we looking for now?
State Dept., State Dept., State Dept. I want to be clear that while I respect the opinions of those who have posted in here about their belief that Benghazi was "all about the CIA and arms to Syria" that I completely disagree. Gowdy will not be focusing on that issue and if something noteworthy arises in that regard, he will likely set it aside and take it up separately. As to what "we" are looking for, well, I know what I'M looking for. But it's too complicated to even begin trying to describe here, and even if it wasn't, I'll let it play out from here.
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