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re: FAA Bans Planesharing Startups
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:41 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:41 pm to Tigah in the ATL
This seems a bit capricious. I take friends out on my boat and they pay for gas all the time because they don't pay for the boat or the nearly $700 a month in slip fees. For them, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than owning the boat. This flight thing is just dumb. There should be no reason a friend can't buy his buddy's gas since the costs of the plane and hangar fees, as well as airport takeoff and landing fees are covered already by the pilot.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 7:42 pm
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:42 pm to HubbaBubba
I'm sure once the FAA's rules catch up with tech it will be fine. FWIW I don't see how it's any different than what Delta or American does 
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:43 pm to HubbaBubba
Of course not but govt does know how not to interfere. Better to ban something than allow consenting adults to manage on their own.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:49 pm to carbola
Didn't read thread, but it's been illegal forever to get paid without a commercial pilot's licence.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:54 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Didn't read thread, but it's been illegal forever to get paid without a commercial pilot's licence.
But until now it was legal for a passenger to share in operating costs.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:56 pm to EA6B
quote:Unenforceable if the pilot & passenger know and trust each other.
But until now it was legal for a passenger to share in operating costs.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:05 pm to LSURussian
Yep. Happens everyday. No different than you sharing gas on a road trip. But you can't advertise it as a business.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:11 pm to LSURussian
I'm sorry but laws like this are ways they can screw over otherwise law abiding citizens if they want to.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:16 pm to carbola
This probably shouldn't have been legal under the existing FARs.
Besides, you don't want to be doing business with a private pilot. He could have as few as 40 hours.
Besides, you don't want to be doing business with a private pilot. He could have as few as 40 hours.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:18 pm to Jagd Tiger
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no, you can fly with him, but what they are saying is he can't have you "pick up the gas" for a ride some where.
Looks like you can still split it with your "friend" he just can't advertise the deal or ask publicly
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FAA ruling released today that prohibits private pilots from publicly offering seats on their planes in exchange for gas money
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:48 pm to upgrayedd
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Possibly, but I can see where there's more concern with planes rather than cars.
Cars are far more dangerous...
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:57 pm to ForeLSU
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Cars are far more dangerous...
Any dumbass can get a driver's license.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:08 pm to ForeLSU
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Cars are far more dangerous...
I am a pilot and wish it were true, but general aviation aircraft most likely to be used in a ride sharing program are the single and multi-engine piston driven prop type which unfortunately do not share the same safety record as the major airlines, and are not as safe as car travel.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:54 pm to DrunkenStuporMan
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quote: keep people safe by preventing them from hopping in with rookie pilots.
So rookie drivers are OK? Check fatalities vs miles in the air vs cars. Air is much safer all the way around.
More chance of being killed crossing the street than in an airplane.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:55 pm to EA6B
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I am a pilot and wish it were true, but general aviation aircraft most likely to be used in a ride sharing program are the single and multi-engine piston driven prop type which unfortunately do not share the same safety record as the major airlines, and are not as safe as car travel.
I call BS. STATS please on fatalities/miles.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:50 pm to beachreb61
LINK
From 2004 statistics, but every year the numbers vary little.
•GA: 7.46 fatal accidents and 13.1 fatalities per 100M miles
For motor vehicles, there were 1.32 fatal accidents and 1.47 fatalities per 100M miles.
GA: 11.2 fatal accidents and 19.7 fatalities per million hours
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driving: 0.528 fatal accidents and 0.588 fatalities per million hours
LINK
King is a leading provider of aviation safety training, he derived that General aviation is 7 times more likely to result in a fatal accident per mile traveled than a car, but airline travel is 49 times safer than a car per mile.
Major Airlines
0.2 fatal accidents and 6.5 fatalities per million flight hours
• 0.05 fatal accidents and 1.57 fatalities per 100 million miles flown
In terms of safety you cannot honestly lump the two different types of flying operations together.
From 2004 statistics, but every year the numbers vary little.
•GA: 7.46 fatal accidents and 13.1 fatalities per 100M miles
For motor vehicles, there were 1.32 fatal accidents and 1.47 fatalities per 100M miles.
GA: 11.2 fatal accidents and 19.7 fatalities per million hours
•
driving: 0.528 fatal accidents and 0.588 fatalities per million hours
LINK
King is a leading provider of aviation safety training, he derived that General aviation is 7 times more likely to result in a fatal accident per mile traveled than a car, but airline travel is 49 times safer than a car per mile.
Major Airlines
0.2 fatal accidents and 6.5 fatalities per million flight hours
• 0.05 fatal accidents and 1.57 fatalities per 100 million miles flown
In terms of safety you cannot honestly lump the two different types of flying operations together.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 8/20/14 at 9:24 pm to EA6B
That's cool. I stand corrected. Could not find a study that isolated the piston engines. All the others were in deaths per billion miles per person. Air was like 0.73 and car was like 12+
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:23 pm to beachreb61
"... and the land of the free ...."
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:29 pm to Traffic Circle
???
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:38 pm to carbola
Good, the standards on commercial pilots are absurdly high for a reason.
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