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re: Reactions To Rand Paul's Op-ed
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:56 am to Strannix
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:56 am to Strannix
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In voting trend analysis all Asians are lumped together, Vietnamese, Japanese, Bangladeshii, etc. so it's a shitty statistic. Vietnamese voted 50/50 in the 2012 election. The premise aren't related. You are just avoiding a valid point.
Your point is irrelevant since Asians as a whole have a standard of living higher than the national average as do Jews.
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:57 am to trackfan
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It could be the perception that Republicans hate them.
And what particular policy or belief of the republican party would support such a belief?
Was it the fact that Republicans freed the slaves or passed the civil rights act?
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:00 am to trackfan
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That the "militarization" of police is harmful to African Americans
All Americans. Not just some.
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nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012”
Impossible. Obama will fix race relations and a black AG would never let this happen.....
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:01 am to SpidermanTUba
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He's a Republican who has publicly stated his opposition to some pretty important parts of the Civil Rights Act. The problem with young ones like Rand Paul is they don't really realize there is still a critical mass of black folks who lived through the era where in many places they simply were not allowed in hotels and restaurants - and in almost every case the exclusion of blacks by private business exceeded the requirements of law.
I'll start worrying about Rand's philosophical issues with the 1964 CRA when he makes it a part of his agenda. As long as he has no intention of revisiting the 1964 CRA via legislation to amend it, I don't really care about his interview with Rachel Maddow.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:04 am to Strannix
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And what particular policy or belief of the republican party would support such a belief?
Was it the fact that Republicans freed the slaves or passed the civil rights act?
I don't have time to educate you, but I suggest you read a freakin' history about American politics over the last 50 years and quit listening to Hannity and Limbaugh.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:10 am to trackfan
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listening to Hannity and Limbaugh.
So which policy was it ?
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:15 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Leave it to BSNBC to get it wrong.
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it’s been the norm since the 1960s
RP hasn't been in politics since the 1960s. This is the first instance since he's been on the national scene where he had the opportunity to comment on the issue of police brutality and have it be noticed.
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That’s everyday local policing, and has nothing to do with the militarization of local police forces, nor big government.
Way to completely miss RP's point. The issue with militarization of everyday policing isn't that the cops have bigger, badder guns. It's the fact that militarization creates a culture where the citizens are the enemy. Militaries exist for the purpose of killing people and breaking things. That's not what law enforcement is intended to do.
Best response by far
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:21 am to Alahunter
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All Americans. Not just some.
True, but that's a more recent phenomenon. We have threads here and on the OT all the time about a no-knock raid on the wrong house, killing innocent people's dogs, shooting old people, launching grenades into a baby's crib, etc.
White people are just finding out what black people have been trying to tell us for decades--there are a lot of people who have no business having a badge and gun. And the militarization is making the problem worse.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:25 am to trackfan
If I could take out only one paragraph from his Op-Ed, it would be this one:
It's misleading and was premature to the context of the shooting
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If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.
It's misleading and was premature to the context of the shooting
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:51 am to Bestbank Tiger
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White people are just finding out what black people have been trying to tell us for decades--there are a lot of people who have no business having a badge and gun. And the militarization is making the problem worse
Ummm..
Waco children say hi, as does Randy Weaver's wife and son.
22 yrs ago, isn't that recent.
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 9:53 am
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:01 am to ForeLSU
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over-the-top immigration bills like Alabama's
Plenty of things to nail Bama's political ills on, but not sure what you mean by this one.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:04 am to Alahunter
Yep. Waco was my wake-up call. If others are just tuning in, that's their fault.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:05 am to Alahunter
It's quite the state of affairs when we are held to legislation that might effect the opinion of people who aren't allowed to vote
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:07 am to trackfan
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That the "militarization" of police is harmful to African Americans
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:11 am to ForeLSU
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Policy wise...the war on drugs, 3rd strike laws, over-the-top immigration bills like Alabama's, minimum sentencing, etc.
Which lead to the continued decrease in crime we've seen for the last 15 plus years or so. I can remember when crime was one of the top 5 national issues that candidates had to address. Middle class blacks have a problem with lower crime rates?
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:21 am to Alahunter
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Plenty of things to nail Bama's political ills on, but not sure what you mean by this one.
You don't see how the original bill might sway legal hispanics from voting for the R's that put the bill together? It was a horrible bill. Frankly I'm surprised, based on the other comments you've made about overreaching government/police that you would support a bill that includes must-arrest provisions and that require all citizens to prove, on-demand, their legal status or be hauled in.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:21 am to Semaphore
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This Ferguson thing wasn't about militarization.
On the initial shooting that is correct. The response to the riots is completely a militarization issue.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:25 am to ForeLSU
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You don't see how the original bill might sway legal hispanics from voting for the R's that put the bill together
No.
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a bill that includes must-arrest provisions and that require all citizens to prove, on-demand, their legal status or be hauled in.
Illegals, aren't citizens.
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