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re: Video of Michael Brown dead in street - WARNING, GRAPHIC

Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:28 pm to
Vegas Bengal asked, "What am I missing here?"

Answer: An open mind.

As always.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35342 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:28 pm to
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IDK. Might have been a SUV type vehicle.
I'm guessing an SUV. Would explain the ability of the officer to grab around the neck area, although I don't know if that's what really happened.

My take is that there was an alteration and Brown tussled with the officer then tried to run away. Probably was hit or heard gunshots so then in a panic raised his arms to surrender but instead of dropping to his knees where he was he ran back to the officer as if to undue the mistake of running away.

Strange behavior, as his friend was clearly not a total thug himself. His friend actually put the blunts that Brown gave him back on the counter. I imagine that the whole day might have been out of character for Michael Brown.

I know that the crime techs have to deal with the scene, but usually there is some attempt to put up a blind or something to block the view. I don't believe that "fiber" evidence comes into play when the cops shoot someone. It's not like it was a mystery who shot him.
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
20881 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:29 pm to
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My question is did the cop continue firing as Brown ran?
if he did keep shooting while he was running away,then imo he is in a lot of trouble.
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:31 pm to
Sounds as if you believe Brown was the victim and the cop the aggressor without waiting for all the evidence.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35342 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:36 pm to
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Sounds as if you believe Brown was the victim and the cop the aggressor without waiting for all the evidence.
No. I think that the initial struggle was from Michael Brown. When Michael runs back towards the police officer (who has already engaged in a tussle and may be stunned) the officer could easily and understandably interpret it as an attack. I am 50/50 on whether that last part was a bad mistake or suicide by cop on Michael Brown's part.

But that is just my impression so far. In this case I wouldn't be surprised to see some new evidence that throws everything out the window.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:39 pm to
It's your time of the month Katy?
Posted by tracytiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2009
3631 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:40 pm to
That's a lot of grown men and women standing around.

Shouldn't they be at work?
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:42 pm to
They haven't released the full autopsy report. So we don't know how many times he was shot and what parts of the body. I'll reserve judgment until then.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35342 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:42 pm to
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I say give credit where credit is due.
Apparently this earns 3 down votes when Rex is the one getting credit.
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:44 pm to
Ok. I gotcha. There will most assuredly be some new evidence come out that we haven't heard.
Posted by okietiger13
From Sea to Shining Sea
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:33 pm to
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I know that the crime techs have to deal with the scene, but usually there is some attempt to put up a blind or something to block the view. I don't believe that "fiber" evidence comes into play when the cops shoot someone. It's not like it was a mystery who shot him.


Ideally you never want to add anything to the scene that wasn't there at the time of the shooting (blanket over a body). It is done sometimes as a favor to the family (especially SIDS deaths in a home). It could've been done here and I would not have had a problem due to the amount of onlookers. "Blinds" would also normally be put up to block the view of the body but maybe in this case with it being an officer involved shooting they were trying to be transparent with how the body and evidence around the body was handled, idk.

As far as fibers you would absolutely want to look for fibers and DNA. If the officer's contention is there was a struggle, fibers from his uniform or his DNA on the body of the deceased would validate that. It's not always about finding out who the suspect is but instead proving or disproving their claims.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:42 pm to
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I have no reason to believe the eyewitness in the video is lying. This exonerates Darren Wilson in my mind, even when it might not in some court.



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Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:24 am to
Wow....there is some serious hostility towards the police in that area. They really should have covered the body sooner, especially when drawing an audience.


So, the officer who shot Brown was driving the Tahoe patrol vehicle with the caution tape tied to the mirror to the left of the person videotaping? Is that what they mean when they say "truck"?

Is Brown aimed toward or away from the police vehicle?

How far away do you think that is? 50 feet? Did they move the police cruiser involved with this before the video was shot?
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 12:35 am
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33804 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 3:08 am to
The first thing I noticed is how nonchalant these people are about this.
Posted by TrapperJohn
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
11122 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:46 am to
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That's a lot of grown men and women standing around.
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Shouldn't they be at work?


Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
6389 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:59 am to
It amazes me that so many in that video have their minds already made up to what happened. Even after uttering the words" I didn't see it, but........." Hopefully the facts come out, and the truth is found. No matter whst, if the truth shows the cop was unjustified or Brown was foolish we should all except it. The truth is all that matters, not what someones wants it to be. To many people let their feelings dictate how one sees something. Does it look like this Brown fellow was up to no good or could've been a punk. Sure, but iif he didn't attack the officer, he didn't deserve to get shot. Now if Brown attacked the officer, that changes everything.....

The police should've covered the body. This seemed to only help the anger build with the body just laying uncovered like that. At that point, it doesn't matter what evidence they'd maybe mess up. Respect should take precedent in certain situtions, this was one of those situtations.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26607 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:00 am to
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I was confused by the eyewitness's use of the word "truck" to describe the police vehicle. Was it a truck, a car, a SUV? Is "truck" some slang for a police car?


In a recent episode of "The First 48" a couple of witnesses to a shooting kept referring to the suspect's vehicle as a truck. It was a Yukon, or something similar. The detectives never questioned the term.

Based on that, perhaps 'truck' is a slang term for SUV in the black community.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 11:55 am to
The eyewitness in THIS video says that the cop was firing while chasing Brown, apparently hit Brown with a shot which caused him to jerk and then turn to the cop with his hands up in surrender:

LINK
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32060 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:08 pm to
I imagine they are going to have a lot of "eye witnesses" coming forward.

If that one is true, the cop is in trouble. I'm wondering if that police Tahoe in the video is the vehicle in question, and how Brown got so far from it without running away....or how he is turned towards the "truck".
Posted by HeauxBeaux
Member since Mar 2008
5538 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:20 pm to
I heard he was shot in the back but I don't see any blood there
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