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re: MLS All-Stars v Bayern Munich | 8:30 ESPN2
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:06 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:06 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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you aren't an awful poster whenever you aren't rush limbaugh-trolling. thanks for the insight though
I mean maybe it doesn't have to be said, and so if I'm the a-hole for saying it whatever, but it doesn't make untrue.
I know probably 25 people who watch soccer regularly. Only one of them would even consider watching the Bundesliga. I know my circle of people isn't the indicator for the entire country but it's probably not far off.
La Liga doesn't get good ratings here and it's much more popular than the Bundesliga.
There are plenty of bars around Atlanta that open for soccer games, I've never seen anyone there to watch a Bundesliga game.
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:09 pm to RandySavage
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RandySavage
Hit the showers, champ. You'll get 'em next time.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:12 pm to RandySavage
I think that is indicative of the terrible Bundesliga TV deal, which was just renegotiated. The league itself is producing really good players, obviously, and as access gets easier in the US, more people will watch. It certainly isn't a third-rate league, when every player on the German NT got their start there. The fact the Bundesliga is so focused on sustainability (lack of foreign investment, 50+1 rule, fan owned clubs) limits what they can do in the transfer market, and thus their performance in European competition, hence they have limited marketability outside of the country, except for Bayern. The fact that Germany is growing in population and in wealth means the long term prognosis of the league is very good.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:17 pm to crazy4lsu
Well good thing we won't have to speculate too long, we'll find out soon enough who is right.
But in a market with a lot of options it is going to take a long, long, long time for the Bundesliga to get any sort of grip in this country.
Ok, maybe second.
But in a market with a lot of options it is going to take a long, long, long time for the Bundesliga to get any sort of grip in this country.
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It certainly isn't a third-rate league
Ok, maybe second.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:27 pm to RandySavage
very few providers have GolTV in HD. Gol puts out a hideous profit. Fox has much better availability and will be motivated to promote the soccer rights they have considering they will be broadcasting the world cup. Bundesliga is very entertaining soccer. Americans have a history of masturbating to their "Anglo-Saxon<---Germanic tribe" "ancestry". bayern is one of the best teams in the world with, potentially, an American star getting significant PT.
won't get EPL ratings, but I think it will improve drastically.
won't get EPL ratings, but I think it will improve drastically.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:29 pm to RandySavage
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But in a market with a lot of options it is going to take a long, long, long time for the Bundesliga to get any sort of grip in this country.
Oh I agree. The PL has basically wrapped up the American marketplace. Bayern might be able to get into it because they are one of biggest clubs in the world, but otherwise it's going to be dominated by the PL teams and Barca and Real.
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Ok, maybe second.
I disagree. You don't produce players of that quality without a great domestic league which serves as a proving ground. Their international pool is deeper than basically everyone else's at the moment.
Everything is skewed because the PL is so rich at the moment, and Bundesliga clubs have built-in disadvantages in terms of buying power. Teams won't compete in Europe unless they get a good coach who develops young talent, and that talent stays together long enough for them to form a good team. The DFB saved the league long term from the unsustainable spending that plagued the Spanish and Italian leagues at the turn of the century, and incentivized youth development to such an extent that serves both the league and the national team.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:31 pm to RandySavage
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It certainly isn't a third-rate league
Ok, maybe second.
I won't comment about what "rate" it is, but I will say that it is incredibly boring because only one team has a chance to win. The Scottish league is the only one that's worse.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:37 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Do some research, champ.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:04 pm to hendersonshands
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Do some research, champ.
Apparently winning the league by 19 points (clinching very early) with a 29 3 2 record is competitive to you.
Of course, the year before that they won it by even more and had only one loss.
Buckaroo.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:03 pm to crazy4lsu
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Oh I agree. The PL has basically wrapped up the American marketplace. Bayern might be able to get into it because they are one of biggest clubs in the world, but otherwise it's going to be dominated by the PL teams and Barca and Real.
So we agree.
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I disagree. You don't produce players of that quality without a great domestic league which serves as a proving ground. Their international pool is deeper than basically everyone else's at the moment.
By this thinking Ligue 1 is a top league as well. Of course there are a lot of good German players that have played in the league when they were young. The problem is they all end up leaving or now going to the same team in Germany.
There is no doubt Bayern is one of the top clubs in the world but literally no one else in the league has a remote chance to challenge them or in Europe.
Dortmund tried to be that challenger but for whatever reason none of their players wanted to stay there and the league, as a competitive entity, is now a joke.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:17 pm to RandySavage
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the league, as a competitive entity,
Every top flight league in Europe is a "joke, as a competitive entity."
I can safely guarantee that Chelsea or Manchester City will win the Premier League this year, because they have the highest wage bill. That's the case in every major league. The team with the most money wins the championship at a fairly regular rate, and if that team doesn't the title goes to the next team with the highest payroll. The exact same scenario happens in all of the other leagues.
Number of different champions since 2004-2005 season (10 years) by league:
Spain: 3
England: 3
Germany: 4
France: 6
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:21 pm to thenry712
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Every top flight league in Europe is a "joke, as a competitive entity."
To a degree for sure. But at least in England there are at least 4, if not 5, teams that could win the league and it wouldn't be a shock. It's also an extremely tight race almost every year except a couple when United ran away with it.
In Germany there is only one team that is winning the league and it's not even going to be close.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:26 pm to RandySavage
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In Germany there is only one team that is winning the league and it's not even going to be close.
Just ignore the fact that more teams have won the Bundesliga over the past decade than the Premier League.
It looks even worse for the Premier League if its analyzed from its inception in 1992.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:30 pm to RandySavage
I don't think that just because Bayern win the title most often is necessarily going to mean that the American audience won't tune in.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I enjoy watching a lot of la liga matches regardless of the fact that I know either Madrid or Barca are going to win the league. It really is just the disparity in money for the other clubs. But that doesn't lessen the enjoyment and competitiveness of Sevilla, Valencia, or Bilbao matches. Maybe if one of those teams was the team I was the main fan of it would suck, but I don't think so.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I enjoy watching a lot of la liga matches regardless of the fact that I know either Madrid or Barca are going to win the league. It really is just the disparity in money for the other clubs. But that doesn't lessen the enjoyment and competitiveness of Sevilla, Valencia, or Bilbao matches. Maybe if one of those teams was the team I was the main fan of it would suck, but I don't think so.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:32 pm to thenry712
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Just ignore the fact that more teams have won the Bundesliga over the past decade than the Premier League.
I'm not talking about 2003 I'm talking about 2014. Bayern dominates more and more every year and every year takes the best player from its only possible rival. If you can't see where that league is headed for the foreseeable future you are blind.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:36 pm to thenry712
i do sympathize with the other side a bit though. historical data doesn't really combat the present reality that bayern is fricking stacked and are much more financially equipped to be a dominant power than anyone else, especially if dortmund keep penny-pinching and losing top players. it's cyclical, for sure. but bayern is working hard to hit the fan and shut off the oscillation.
that said, a competitive title race isn't necessarily the end all to a fun league to watch. still CL qualification spots (spoken like a true Arsenal fan).
that said, a competitive title race isn't necessarily the end all to a fun league to watch. still CL qualification spots (spoken like a true Arsenal fan).
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:42 pm to RandySavage
So should an Arab sheikh or Russian mobster buy out Freiburg and turn it into a super-club overnight? That's the only reason any club has usurped Manchester United in the Premier League the past decade.
Or, should German teams invest wisely in youth development (check) and in the transfer market (see Schalke FC), and hope that it can lead to a title contender like Stuttgart (2006) Dortmund (2011 and '12) or Wolfsburg (2009)?
Or, should German teams invest wisely in youth development (check) and in the transfer market (see Schalke FC), and hope that it can lead to a title contender like Stuttgart (2006) Dortmund (2011 and '12) or Wolfsburg (2009)?
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:46 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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still CL qualification spots (spoken like a true Arsenal fan).
But does that ultimately lead to anything besides a nice paycheck?
WOO we finished fourth so that we can finish second in our group and then get bounced by [INSERT CONTINENTAL POWER] FC in the knockout rounds.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 6:27 pm to thenry712
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So should an Arab sheikh or Russian mobster buy out Freiburg and turn it into a super-club overnight?
I mean it's not ideal but it is the only thing that could possibly happen for a German team to challenge Bayern right now.
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Or, should German teams invest wisely in youth development (check) and in the transfer market (see Schalke FC), and hope that it can lead to a title contender like Stuttgart (2006) Dortmund (2011 and '12) or Wolfsburg (2009)?
If making the CL while being out of league contention by November and finishing 25 points behind Bayern is the goal, then sure.
Basically you are speaking idealistically, I'm just being real.
Also, there may be some people who don't need competitiveness/meaning to enjoy games but those people are definitely in the minority.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 8:57 pm to RandySavage
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By this thinking Ligue 1 is a top league as well.
Ligue 1 is clearly a top league. Not all players can survive there. Just because these teams do not have the money to compete with Spain's two and England's top four, doesn't mean the whole league is shite. I'd argue that the relative difference between lower tier teams in top divisions is indiscernible. The PL teams have more money, and are top heavy, but that doesn't ensure the overall quality of the league. Usually outside of the top 8, English teams are rather horrible to watch. There are some occasional standouts, like that Swansea City team of 2012, but most of the play is of a lower quality than you would see in other leagues.
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