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re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)
Posted on 8/25/14 at 4:35 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 8/25/14 at 4:35 pm to BlacknGold
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so solving a major plot problem is not a good thing? yet, if they ignore it, people still get pissy.
What?
You don't make a second film to solve a problem that should not have existed in a first film. The problem still exists...in the first film, it doesn't go anywhere. People are pissy because they ignored it in the first film. Solving it in Part 2 does not make Part I a better movie.
But now they will waste time on it in the second film. It would have been better had that kind of scene been on the cutting room floor and they released some sort of "Uncut" version with it.
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 4:37 pm to elprez00
quote:
Am I the only person that actually likes Affleck in this role?
Nope. I think he's a fantastic choice.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 4:38 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Hopefully it would set a precedent in that DC movie universe that they can't just obliterate cities and then go about business as usual.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 4:40 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:That is a good precedent to set.
Hopefully it would set a precedent in that DC movie universe that they can't just obliterate cities and then go about business as usual.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:12 pm to Freauxzen
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You don't make a second film to solve a problem that should not have existed in a first film
thats not why they are making a sequel. thats just one part of the story. but i completely disagree if you think they should just ignore it because they didnt mention it in the first one. you have a chance to address peoples big critique, yet you shouldnt take the opportunity to address that? thats terrible storytelling.
MoS had no time to address it unless it wanted to be 3 hours long.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:20 pm to BlacknGold
This isn't exactly the first franchise that ends part one with a catastrophic event and then begins part two in the aftermath of that event.
In fact, this is one of the more basic multi-film hooks.
In fact, this is one of the more basic multi-film hooks.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:24 pm to TK421
agreed.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:25 pm to BlacknGold
If they're going to tie the films together then they should address what happens in the previous films.
Iron Man had a nervous breakdown after Avengers. I'd say that was more overkill than Superman being taken to task for destroying everything from buildings to satellites during his first confrontation with a villain.
You think Bruce Wayne is pissed? You could shoot a thousand missiles into space and never hit a satellite. Superman trashes Batman's sat on his first flight out of orbit!
Iron Man had a nervous breakdown after Avengers. I'd say that was more overkill than Superman being taken to task for destroying everything from buildings to satellites during his first confrontation with a villain.
You think Bruce Wayne is pissed? You could shoot a thousand missiles into space and never hit a satellite. Superman trashes Batman's sat on his first flight out of orbit!
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:34 pm to BlacknGold
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thats not why they are making a sequel. thats just one part of the story. but i completely disagree if you think they should just ignore it because they didnt mention it in the first one. you have a chance to address peoples big critique, yet you shouldnt take the opportunity to address that? thats terrible storytelling.
See, I never said they should ignore it either.
And anyone saying the destruction was a problem was told over and over again that it was ok, that this was a new Superman, etc.
So which is the case?
We're just in two different places conceptually, so let's not let it get out of hand.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:38 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
And anyone saying the destruction was a problem was told over and over again that it was ok, that this was a new Superman, etc.
Everyone said it was ok within the context of the story, that Superman had little choice in the matter. I don't know of anyone that has argued that no one in that world would care and/or blame Superman for the destruction.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:40 pm to TK421
quote:
This isn't exactly the first franchise that ends part one with a catastrophic event and then begins part two in the aftermath of that event.
In fact, this is one of the more basic multi-film hooks.
I agree.
But see it wasn't even addressed. That's the problem.
If the film had ended with the General giving Superman a summons, or a Newspaper article titled "Friend or Foe?" or SOMETHING, anything to point to the idea, then yeah you'd be right. But there was no hook, no catch, that was everyone's problem. It was completely ignored in the film, and that isn't Superman. We don't have to rehash that argument, but it wasn't a smart move.
Like I said, it's nice they are doing it, good even, at least they are listening (again, there's the pesky problem of those who justified it and said anyone complaining was "nitpicking," or similar notions), but it doesn't fix the first film or the critiques about the first film.
That's all I'm saying.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 3:21 pm to Freauxzen
Clark kent has been spotted, and he's wearing glasses.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:17 pm to abellsujr
I wonder how long they will allow that disguise fool Batman in this movie? I mean if Batman is the level of detective that he is in the comics, the first time he lays eyes on Clark he should recognize that he is Superman.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:33 pm to Bamatab
quote:While I don't disagree with you, who says he will ever see Clark Kent?
I wonder how long they will allow that disguise fool Batman in this movie? I mean if Batman is the level of detective that he is in the comics, the first time he lays eyes on Clark he should recognize that he is Superman.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:48 pm to abellsujr
He may not see Clark. But considering Clark is some kind of reporter who I'm assuming will be partnered with the one person that has ties to Superman (Lois) as reporters, you would think that Bruce would come across Clark in his research of everything tied to Superman.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:06 pm to Bamatab
quote:Well, we are talking about a comic movie. There's no other way to do Superman other than the way he's always been done. Lois knows who he is. The only way they can make it work is if Clark Kent is a nobody. If Bruce Wayne knows who he is, wouldn't Lex Luther? And if so, Wouldn't Lex benefit from telling the world? I'm not sure I would have Bruce Wayne know his identity.
He may not see Clark. But considering Clark is some kind of reporter who I'm assuming will be partnered with the one person that has ties to Superman (Lois) as reporters, you would think that Bruce would come across Clark in his research of everything tied to Superman.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:28 pm to abellsujr
I thought Bruce figure out Superman's identity in the comics, did he not?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:39 pm to Bamatab
Down the line. So did Lex. I just think you may open a can of worms if Bruce knows who he is right away. There has to be a reason he doesn't tell the world. Lex would never let him live as Clark Kent. He would tell the world. Plus Superman is suppose to be disliked by most of the world in this movie, at least in the beginning. If anyone knew who Clark Kent was, it would open a can of worms. I guess we'll see.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:10 pm to abellsujr
I have a feeling Bruce & Clark figure out each other's identities by the end of the movie consider this movie is leading to the Justice League. i could be wrong, but that is my guess.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:37 pm to Bamatab
Oh, no doubt. I just don't think you can do it right away.
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