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re: Israel strikes UN school and market
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:03 pm to dante
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:03 pm to dante
quote:I know, it doesn't make sense. It's almost as if they were purposely stored there by some entity for the Palestinians (since they are the ones ending up with them). Weird.
UNRWA condemns using the schools for weapons storage, yet them turn them over the "local" police (Hamas).
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:22 pm to deltaland
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Maybe I'm cold hearted but I don't give a shite if civilians are killed in war. It's a fact of war.
Well why don't you sign up and get you some
Of course they get hurt in the total war approach but when more civilians are dying than actual bad guys its an issue.
If you look at this conflict from just a military prospective only about 30% max of the roughly 1800 being reported of the causalities in Gaza are Hamas militants while Israel has lost around 60 men and the number is climbing. Hamas despite Israel vast military advantage is giving them every bit of a fight out there.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:30 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Hamas despite Israel vast military advantage is giving them every bit of a fight out there.
Only because Israel is fighting with at least some ROEs to try to protect civilians. They could steam roll through that place in days if they didn't care about civilian casualties.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:32 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Who the frick are the elite?
OT ballers
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:You know how I know you didn't read the OP?
Israel is fighting with at least some ROEs to try to protect civilians. They could steam roll through that place in days if they didn't care about civilian casualties.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:35 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Only because Israel is fighting with at least some ROEs to try to protect civilians
Yea that sniper thing was bullshite
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They could steam roll through that place in days if they didn't care about civilian casualties.
for sure but they are still using their knock knock tactics blowing holes in walls to go house to house
Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:39 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:What battlefield are Hamas militants engaging the IDF on in Gaza, and why are there so many civilians on or near that battlefield?
If you look at this conflict from just a military prospective only about 30% max of the roughly 1800 being reported of the causalities in Gaza are Hamas militants while Israel has lost around 60 men and the number is climbing. Hamas despite Israel vast military advantage is giving them every bit of a fight out there.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:41 pm to FooManChoo
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What battlefield are Hamas militants engaging the IDF on in Gaza
Urban combat, the home team can always do damage.
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and why are there so many civilians on or near that battlefield?
You can't be serious, gaza is about twice the size of DC and has 2 million people in it.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:45 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Serious question. Does Hamas only target military installations with their rockets? When they emerge from their tunnels do they only attack troops and or military targets?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:45 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Actually that was my point.
There are so many civilian casualties because there isn't a designated battlefield. Hamas fires rockets from civilian homes, hospitals, schools, mosques, etc., and then people are shocked that so many civilians are killed by the return fire.
There are so many civilian casualties because there isn't a designated battlefield. Hamas fires rockets from civilian homes, hospitals, schools, mosques, etc., and then people are shocked that so many civilians are killed by the return fire.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:49 pm to deltaland
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I was more referring to WW2. We have been on a steady decline of pussifucation since 1960
I agree. Back in WW2 we did whatever it took to beat the enemy into submission and that included fire bombing entire German cities. Not to mention the nukes dropped in Japan.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:27 pm to deltaland
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Read "lone survivor" and it goes into detail about how terrorists and other enemies use our liberal humanitarian rules against us. They put civilians in the way and when one gets killed they run to the American liberal media .
If you read Luttrell's book titled, "Service", he talks about the differences in strategy regarding situations like he encountered in the Hindu Kush as opposed to Ramadi (urban warfare) where great caution was used to prevent innocent civilian casualties, and for good reason. Gaza is a lot like what the U.S. forces faced in Ramadi in many ways. FWIW...I may be wrong but I believe the IDF is making some critical strategic mistakes in the manner in which they are handling their assault on Gaza. They're making some of the same mistakes they made in Lebanon.
I do believe the IDF will prevail but perhaps at a much higher cost in regard to long term IDF casualties than previously expected. Anyway, I guess we'll see. Just my opinion.
Both are very interesting books.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:53 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Who the frick are the elite? You've never actually said.
And he won't.
However...if you send him 15 Wheaties box tops + $1.95 for shipping and handling, he'll send you his secret decoder ring, and you can figure it out using that.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:56 pm to Porky
quote:They should do like we did with Fallujah. Cordon off an area, tell everyone they have 3 days to GTFO. If they'd like to be martyred then they can stay and be martyred. Then roll in and lay waste.
n. Gaza is a lot like what the U.S. forces faced in Ramadi in many ways. FWIW...I may be wrong but I believe the IDF is making some critical strategic mistakes in the manner in which they are handling their assault on Gaza. They're making some of the same mistakes they made in Lebanon.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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They should do like we did with Fallujah. Cordon off an area, tell everyone they have 3 days to GTFO. If they'd like to be martyred then they can stay and be martyred. Then roll in and lay waste.
That's a much better strategy. Destroying the infrastructure and mounting civilian casualties isn't going to make Hamas surrender. Hamas is literally dug in.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:20 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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They should do like we did with Fallujah. Cordon off an area, tell everyone they have 3 days to GTFO. If they'd like to be martyred then they can stay and be martyred. Then roll in and lay waste.
But the difference is that the people of Fallujah had all of Iraq to evacuate to, while Gazans have no where to go, since all their borders are sealed off and the sea is blockaded.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:21 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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tell everyone they have 3 days to GTFO
Where do they evacuate to? They are under Ariel, naval, and land blockade.
Most Palestinians are not Hamas and Islamic jihad which were created in response to occupation and ethnic cleansing
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:23 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Israel and its supporters don't care about the loss of any innocent Palestinian life.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:25 pm to Northwestern tiger
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Where do they evacuate to? They are under Ariel, naval, and land blockade.
Most Palestinians are not Hamas and Islamic jihad which were created in response to occupation and ethnic cleansing
Other sections of Gaza. Cordon off the area, no weapons in or out, all that want to leave may leave. IDF then goes in and clears the area and destroying all weapons caches and fighting positions, then reopens the area. They could also relocate them to UN monitored refugee shelters in Israel during the operation. Clear Gaza section by section.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:25 pm to deltaland
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Maybe I'm cold hearted but I don't give a shite if civilians are killed in war.
what kind of morality is this? you're no better than the "terrorists" you hate
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