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re: Falocons fans: How much time is left for Mike Smith?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 10:32 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Posted on 7/28/14 at 10:32 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Well it sounds like you are plugged in more than I am in the coaching sense. I was looking at a business decision point of view. There is the extra hurdle of the seat licenses coming up and Blank knows he needs some excitement around the team. If things look promising this year then I think we could build off that. If it is anywhere near last year I can't see the ship staying on course.
Like I said though, you have a better knowledge of the relationship aspects so I will defer to you on that.
Like I said though, you have a better knowledge of the relationship aspects so I will defer to you on that.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 10:33 pm to retooc
Jack Del Rio's laziness in his last few years and Gene Smith's complete ineptitude, proclivity for seeking "diamonds in the rough" and his desire to draft people he thought had a good character (LOL) helped destroy the Jaguars.
People wanna act like JAX came around in '95 and just sucked forever but they were a good football team. Once.
People wanna act like JAX came around in '95 and just sucked forever but they were a good football team. Once.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 10:40 pm to flyAU
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Well it sounds like you are plugged in more than I am in the coaching sense. I was looking at a business decision point of view. There is the extra hurdle of the seat licenses coming up and Blank knows he needs some excitement around the team. If things look promising this year then I think we could build off that. If it is anywhere near last year I can't see the ship staying on course.
Like I said though, you have a better knowledge of the relationship aspects so I will defer to you on that.
I mean keep in mind I am still just a 24 year old pretending he knows shite. I am a casual observer like yall and your point is totally valid. Blank needs to do what he sees best for the franchise and what will guarantee the success of the move. Personally I think jettisoning Dimitroff would be their best bet and I get annoyed at Falcon fans (and Saint fans blabbering) who think Smitty is the root of all the issues when he has been the best thing to happen to Atlanta. But also having been at the forefront of Richt-haters for a long time I understand that sometimes teams need a complete reboot.
Georgia, I'd like to think, got that through this last purge of the defensive staff and ascendance of our home grown and seasoned offensive staff. The Falcons may need it too. I think, though, that injuries and missed talent evaluations were what happened to Atlanta. Saints fans and nega-Falcons focus on last year as an indictment of the coaches' ability but IMO they got rid of some of the issues such as Pat Hill (although I like that guy). We'll see if Tice is up to fixing that jello mold of an OL he has.
I am rambling and making poor points and blame the sleep meds I just took but in the end I see nothing but similarities with Georgia and Atlanta. Two teams coming off of good years that still needed a few things to fall in place to finish the drill only to suffer devastating injuries where their past deficiencies were only magnified. A healthy team and fixing these issues on the LOS I think will get Atlanta right back to where they need to be.
But, again, my only credentials are I like watching the RZN and Falcons games once the Jags are down by 10 which may as well be 50.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:37 am to Damn Good Dawg
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See, everyone is quick to blame Smitty but the man made ATL what it is
I don't know where I am on this
1. mike smith is a quality coach and people here are taking for granted how difficult that is to find in the NFL...so in that sense I hope they fire him because he has led them to a few 10 win seasons and playoff appearances. Look at his home record, what other falcons coach has had that success? If they fire him though, the likelihood of disaster is higher than the likelihood they hire a sean payton type
2. His teams lack toughness. They are quick to throw in the towel and they have a soft demeanor on the field. I think this is a reflection of smith. His teams can play hard for him, but not with any consistency.
3. I don't think Smith is capable of navigating the playoff field all the way to a championship. There are always going to be close games, and while his daddy is known for gutsy calls, smith just makes boneheaded decisions and his game management isn't very good.
4. His teams aren't loaded. jackitrioff has really ensured he has zero depth and totally mismanaged the roster, and all the while this is his first losing season...impressive.
People are underestimating how vital Tony Gonz. was to that offense. They had such redzone troubles last year, but now they're likely to get worse. Gonzalez made it easier for Julio jones too, and cap teeth leaned on him heavily on 3rd down...their lines are terrible. It's really hard to see that as a recipe for success; however, mike smith isn't a bad coach and they do have a very slightly above average qb with an explosive wideouts that will give them TDs...9-7
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 8:39 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:37 am to Damn Good Dawg
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Damn Good Dawg
Out of curiosity, how did you end up being a Jags fan?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:48 am to DelU249
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Fox Mulder
That is a very fair assessment.
It will be interesting to see if they are able to change up the dynamics with Gonzalez being gone.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:05 am to DelU249
To address the OP, unless the Falcons win 4 or less, I really can't see Smith being fired. He is still the most successful coach in Falcons history (yes yes, laugh etc). 5-8 wins and his seat is on fire going into 2015 season. Anything less than the playoffs that year and he is gone.
Comments like this I don't totally agree with. Say what you will but the falcons were 10 yards and a second half meltdown away from going to the superbowl. I know that doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but it's hard to completely dismiss the dude when we were so close 2 years ago.
The biggest issue with the falcons is lack of depth due to:a)JJ trade and b)overall poor drafting and FA moves.
Last year was a prime example, when fully healthy, the falcons are good enough to make the playoffs or come very close just about any year with the core they have. However, take away 1 of those pieces and it is a dumpster fire. I do think that if you take away the best player on a team just about anyone will struggle, but with the Falcons, taking away JJ was huge. Our entire offensive gameplan revolves around him and defenses having to adjust specifically for him which then opens up other areas. Take him away and teams stack the box and we are terrible.
Losing Tony G. will ultimately show me who Matt Ryan is I think. He is either one of the better qbs in the league and will make it work without him or will struggle not having his "crutch" or safety to bail him out.
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3. I don't think Smith is capable of navigating the playoff field all the way to a championship. There are always going to be close games, and while his daddy is known for gutsy calls, smith just makes boneheaded decisions and his game management isn't very good.
Comments like this I don't totally agree with. Say what you will but the falcons were 10 yards and a second half meltdown away from going to the superbowl. I know that doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things but it's hard to completely dismiss the dude when we were so close 2 years ago.
The biggest issue with the falcons is lack of depth due to:a)JJ trade and b)overall poor drafting and FA moves.
Last year was a prime example, when fully healthy, the falcons are good enough to make the playoffs or come very close just about any year with the core they have. However, take away 1 of those pieces and it is a dumpster fire. I do think that if you take away the best player on a team just about anyone will struggle, but with the Falcons, taking away JJ was huge. Our entire offensive gameplan revolves around him and defenses having to adjust specifically for him which then opens up other areas. Take him away and teams stack the box and we are terrible.
Losing Tony G. will ultimately show me who Matt Ryan is I think. He is either one of the better qbs in the league and will make it work without him or will struggle not having his "crutch" or safety to bail him out.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:17 am to hiltacular
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Say what you will but the falcons were 10 yards and a second half meltdown away from going to the superbowl.
back to back playoff games with 3 touchdown leads blown. A modicum of good clock management the week before from Pete Carroll and they would've lost the same way the week before...btw, how awesome was Russell Wilson in that game? his passing skills and pocket presence were crazy. Mike Smith can't coach this incarnation of the falcons to 3 straight wins against 3 really good teams. That is how I genuinely feel.
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when fully healthy, the falcons are good enough to make the playoffs or come very close just about any year with the core they have
I don't know if this is true anymore. I'm very curious to see the post tony gonzalez Atlanta falcons. Also, the falcons didn't have crazy injuries, they just finally had the year every other team has every year (how frustrating that was
) Like you pointed out, they have zero depth so losing one of the 3-5 key players sunk them almost immediately...but they weren't doing too hot when Julio was on the field. quote:
Losing Tony G. will ultimately show me who Matt Ryan is I think. He is either one of the better qbs in the league and will make it work without him or will struggle not having his "crutch" or safety to bail him out.
yeah, it will be very interesting. Either he'll take a big step forward or a big step back, but he has to move in one direction.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:45 am to dawgfan24348
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It's playoffs or bust.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:33 am to rockchlkjayhku11
I'd say 6 wins or less and he is gone. If we miss the playoffs he goes on the hotseat.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 2:23 pm to DelU249
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Fox Mulder
All valid points. I don't fully agree on all of it but for the most part I am with ya
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flyAU
Grew up in JAX
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