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Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:13 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Shut up Mickey
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:14 pm to RTOTA
That is interesting because one tenet of the group you attack is to love thy neighbor as thyself. Am I to think that does not pertain to the here and now?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:20 pm to Revelator
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How can there ever be any real compromise or deal making when these two groups are so diametrically opposed?
Evil and good cannot coexist. Evil by its very nature, is opposed to good. Evil will always attempt to destroy good. Throughout history we see this battle [between good and evil] played out over and over. Evil is rooted in man's desire to be God. In pursuit of deity, Evil will attempt to destroy good, and when it has succeeded in destroying good [in all forms] it will turn on itself and seek to destroy its own kind. To the victor goes the spoils of war, and deity.
Meanwhile the bodies of innocents fall from the sky.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 7/26/14 at 3:31 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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All men sin. Even you. Many who sin regularly don't admit to it. Prisoners may truly believe in Christ. Who are you to insinuate and judge that they aren't really Christian? Your life focus should be on the afterlife. Not this one. Do what you can to help your fellow man but don't be consumed with this world. Also, you just wanted to complain and to get some attention. So congrats.
You're right, I believe these people who commit crimes and end up in prison do seek the Lord and why wouldn't ya? Being in prison gives one time to ponder what went wrong in ones life and is there a divine spirit/creator that can shed meaning and understanding to ones existence, as far as the Rev complaining......maybe he's just giving his thoughts on how it would be much easier to gain advantage in this materialistic world if you did not have any moral constraints, makes sense to me.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 4:02 pm to Revelator
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How is this vague? One group is willing to lie, cheat and steal as long as their goals are achieved, and the other group won't because of consequences here and in the after life.
Who are these people? Any chance you can give us names? Or should we give you names and you'll explain into which camp they fall? This thread is either one of the worst ever or trolling at its finest. But the OP seems serious...
Posted on 7/26/14 at 4:25 pm to casualobserver
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Who are these people? Any chance you can give us names?
Yes they have names. One is the group that believes in an afterlife and future judgement and the other doesn't. It seems fairly clear.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 4:52 pm to Revelator
Morals don't come from religion
Posted on 7/26/14 at 4:53 pm to Revelator
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How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Two questions for you:
1- Do YOU have morals?
2- Are you dead?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 5:37 pm to Rex
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2- Are you dead?
Survive is an expression Rex.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 5:52 pm to Revelator
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Survive is an expression Rex.
He has a point though. You claim to have morals. Why don't you tell us how you are surviving whatever it is you're surviving from.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 5:54 pm to Revelator
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How can there be any real dialogue or progress in this country when there is a group that believes in some moral standards( Ten Commandments), believes in an after life and a final judgment, where one has to give an account for his actions, and this group must deal with another group that not only doesn't mind lying to achieve its goals, but prides itself in it and believes they will never have to give any kind of account for the things they do here on earth? How can there ever be any real compromise or deal making when these two groups are so diametrically opposed?
What a douche.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 6:04 pm to dawg2357
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That is interesting because one tenet of the group you attack is to love thy neighbor as thyself. Am I to think that does not pertain to the here and now?
Seriously? Like how much you all love homosexuals, liberals, atheists, muslims, etc.?
Most people I know that aren't religious are much less judgmental towards people who are different from them. This is not to say that religious people are better or worse than non-believers, just that I think there are some flaws in the tenets of most religions. How can you not look at things like slavery and realize that the bible shouldn' be the basis for our morality?
Listen, I think Jesus was a cool dude who said some wise things. But attempting to follow his teachings doesn't give you any moral superiority over others. It's the us vs. them mentality that leads to most of the problems in this world.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 6:13 pm to Revelator
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Revelator
You do realize that all morality is relative, subjective and arbitrary? Right?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 6:17 pm to RTOTA
Ah but you said to go by the tenets and not the actions of the group. Am I mistaken in that point?
I never said I was morally superior. In fact are you not saying that to not follow the tenets of the Bible is morally superior than otherwise? Are you creating an us(those who don't follow) vs them(those who do) mentality?
I never said I was morally superior. In fact are you not saying that to not follow the tenets of the Bible is morally superior than otherwise? Are you creating an us(those who don't follow) vs them(those who do) mentality?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 6:56 pm to dawg2357
No
I said you don't have to look at the actions, the tenets alone show that it isn't necessarily the morally superior position, unless you want to cherry-pick certain parts of the bible. I am not saying those who follow religion are morally inferior, just trying to argue against the opposite, which was claimed. People of all types of belief do terrible things to other people, it's a part of humanity. If you look at history and different cultures you can definitely see that morality is subjective.
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This is not to say that religious people are better or worse than non-believers
I said you don't have to look at the actions, the tenets alone show that it isn't necessarily the morally superior position, unless you want to cherry-pick certain parts of the bible. I am not saying those who follow religion are morally inferior, just trying to argue against the opposite, which was claimed. People of all types of belief do terrible things to other people, it's a part of humanity. If you look at history and different cultures you can definitely see that morality is subjective.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 7:02 pm to Sentrius
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You do realize that all morality is relative, subjective and arbitrary? Right?
It isn't for me or any other Christian that views God's word as a moral standard.
Even our earthly laws are based on some standard of moral conduct.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 7/26/14 at 7:07 pm to RTOTA
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Most people I know that aren't religious are much less judgmental towards people who are different from them.
You must not spend much time on message boards if you believe that.
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It's the us vs. them mentality that leads to most of the problems in this world.
I kige this.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 7:20 pm to RTOTA
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I am not saying those who follow religion are morally inferior, just trying to argue against the opposite, which was claimed. People of all types of belief do terrible things to other people, it's a part of humanity. If you look at history and different cultures you can definitely see that morality is subjective.
Ah I see your point, and I mostly agree with it. Some hold that one cannot be good without belief in God. I think that to be an incorrect notion.
Of course I respectfully disagree with the idea of subjective morality. Being a theist, I adopt an objectivist position.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 7:31 pm to Revelator
quote:It is the people with pretend moral codes who commit the most crimes. The just justify it as carrying out punishment on the unjust.
How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Are you contemplating suicide or wondering how you can change the world? Or have you done a bunch of immoral stuff that you are trying to blame on society?
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