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re: Rand Paul Speaks to National Urban League

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Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:38 am to
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RogerTheShrubber


Change and progress doesn't happen overnight and it's not going to end with Rand, he's just the first republican doing what needs to be done and saying what needs to be said to the GOP with regards to treatment and outreach of these groups.

It's inevitable there will fear and distrust in the first wave of pioneering outreach and it will get better as time goes on.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:38 am to
I figured that you had googled a Tom Woods video about praxeology
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:47 am to
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It's inevitable there will fear and distrust in the first wave of pioneering outreach and it will get better as time goes on.


Rand is trying to push ideas that African Americans don't hear, or haven't wanted to hear from Republicans. If Rand or those like him aren't effective, I could see the future Republican Party looking more like the Dem. party of the 1990's.

Childish rhetoric is very effective, Rand (regardless of his audience) may be too late. I applaud him for trying though. The US has been dumbed down to the "us vs them" mentality and it's here to stay IMO
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 12:48 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:47 am to
Hemphead, you live in the Appalachia region, correct? Have you ever heard of the organization called "Remote Area Medical"? (RAM)? They are stationed in Nashville, and set up massive free health clinics with medical doctor volunteers for poor people throughout the country, but mostly in Appalachia.

They came out here to Los Angeles and I volunteered to do some non-medical work. Most of the people they serve are on medicaid, but medicaid doesn't provide dental or vision cover, so the vast majority of folks they see (they have served hundreds and hundreds of thousands), come for vision and dental.

RAM is always are looking for donations. Every little bit helps. Only pathetic part is that their ability to provide care is greatly hampered by frickhead state laws that prevent medical workers from providing charity in states they are not licensed in.
Posted by StrangeBrew
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:47 am to
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just the first republican doing what needs to be done and saying what needs to be said to the GOP


You don't think prior Republicans reached out to minorities?
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:49 am to
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I had to google the wood and after a reading a few links, I still don't know shite.
Praxeology is basically a very specific view of economics that holds that economists should be closer to psychologists or philosophers than statisticians or mathematicians. They should be exclusively concerned with working out, a priori, the motivations of what people do and why they do it. Any attempt at deriving principles from measurement, data interpretation, or other forms of empiricism is doomed to failure because of the sheer number of confounding variables and the calculation problem.

There are several problems with this. The calculation problem referred strictly to price signaling, and was also expressed a century ago when punch-card tabulation was state of the art. Human behavior is itself a tangled mess of confounding variables and often fundamentally irrational. And it basically reduces economics to just-so stories and post-hoc explanations instead of testable predictions.

It's like trying to do medical research by sitting down, chin in hand, and reasoning out the effects of a drug on each individual cell in a patient, or a meteorologist giving the weather forecast for next week based on an estimation of the behavior of individual molecules in the atmosphere. It's balls. Absolute balls.

Praxeology mainly exists as a catchphrase for a group of hardcore libertarians (the Mises-Rothbard strand of Austrians) who for some reason really feel the need to gin up consequentialist arguments for what is essentially a deontological framework. But they don't want to do any actual hard work or research. So they just wave their hands and say "everything modern economics does is bunk."
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 12:51 am
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:53 am to
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You don't think prior Republicans reached out to minorities?


To clarify, he's the first republican worth a shite that can actually deliver the necessary message without the tone deaf rhetoric and appearances of lip service to the GOP about minority outreach and to minorities at the same time.

He's the first republican that doesn't go for demagogued dem plantation bullshite which is tone deaf rhetoric.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:58 am to
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Iosh


Thanks for a good explanation.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:40 am to
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Hemphead, you live in the Appalachia region, correct?


Yes sir, a little bit outside of Asheville.

quote:

ave you ever heard of the organization called "Remote Area Medical"? (RAM)? They are stationed in Nashville, and set up massive free health clinics with medical doctor volunteers for poor people throughout the country, but mostly in Appalachia.

RAM is always are looking for donations. Every little bit helps. Only pathetic part is that their ability to provide care is greatly hampered by frickhead state laws that prevent medical workers from providing charity in states they are not licensed in.


I may have found my next tax deduction.

I am not a hard-hearted "vulgar" libertarian. I hate seeing people suffer, even if from their own choices. I do my best to alleviate sorrow and hardship without the use of violence.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 1:43 am to
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Praxeology mainly exists as a catchphrase for a group of hardcore libertarians (the Mises-Rothbard strand of Austrians) who for some reason really feel the need to gin up consequentialist arguments for what is essentially a deontological framework.


I would put that label more on Rorthbardians than Misesians. Mises was much more of a utilitarian than a moralist.
Posted by StrangeBrew
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 6:41 am to
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To clarify, he's the first republican worth a shite that can actually deliver the necessary message without the tone deaf rhetoric and appearances of lip service to the GOP about minority outreach and to minorities at the same time. He's the first republican that doesn't go for demagogued dem plantation bullshite which is tone deaf rhetoric.


Ok, that does make it clear! You are talking about your subjective opinion.
Posted by SpartyGator
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 6:48 am to
Yep, he's done a better job of that than I actually anticipated. I've gained a lot of respect for Rand over time (I was more of a Ron supporter beforehand).
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 8:12 am to
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Paul's support of charter schools and school vouchers indicates he's out of touch with many in the black communities, said Norma Richards, of Columbus. School vouchers and charter schools siphon money from public schools, she said.


Did anyone bother to ask Norma Richards if she is a public school teacher? Anyone wanna give odds?
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 8:17 am to
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he's just the first republican doing what needs to be done and saying what needs to be said to the GOP with regards to treatment and outreach of these groups.


No, he's not. Economic zones in urban areas were championed by Jack Kemp and HW. School choice has been a hallmark of Republicans for well over a decade. W did a bit of AA outreach.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 7:00 pm to
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CINCINNATI — After Mitt Romney received just 6 percent of the black vote in 2012, the Republican Party said that it could no longer afford to ignore African-Americans. “We are never going to win over voters who are not asked for their support,” its leaders wrote in a candid election post-mortem.

Nearly two years later, the party is still struggling to connect. There is one black Republican in Congress, Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina. Republicans in state legislatures nationwide continue to back bills to require people to have identification to cast a ballot, which black leaders have said amounts to legalized voter suppression.

So when Republicans ask blacks to give their party a second look, they have a hard time finding an audience. Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky confronted this on Friday when he appeared at a highly publicized speech to the National Urban League Conference to see row after row of empty chairs. The space did not look much fuller after one of the organizers urged people seated near the back to fill in the front rows.

He pushed forward, quoting Malcolm X: “Nobody can give you equality or justice. If you’re a man, you take it.” And he sounded empathetic as he described the arrests of three young black men as they waited for a bus. Their apparent crime, he said, was “waiting while black.” And he delicately acknowledged what was perhaps the biggest cloud hanging over his visit: his comments in 2010 in which he suggested that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 encroached on individual liberties. He told the crowd he supported the law unequivocally.

The speech in Cincinnati was his latest before a mostly black crowd, and it was a demonstration of how Mr. Paul — however improbably — has become the only major figure in his party who seems eager to keep going back to African-Americans to appeal for support even if his approach unsettles some fellow Republicans.

Before speaking here to the Urban League, the senator was in the Capitol this week putting the finishing touches on a bill to purge the federal sentencing code of harsher sentences for crack cocaine offenses. He talked up his partnership on a bill to restore voting rights to some nonviolent felons with Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic majority leader and a loathed figure among Republicans.

He has also partnered with Eric H. Holder Jr., the country’s first African-American attorney general and another Democrat reviled by the right, to work on a broad overhaul of federal drug sentencing policy. Mr. Paul and Senator Cory Booker, Democrat of New Jersey, have proposed a variety of other criminal justice changes, including making it easier for people to have old criminal convictions sealed.

Republicans typically focus their appeal to black voters on two issues: poverty and education. Some Republicans, like Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, have also embraced overhauling certain aspects of federal sentencing.

But what makes Mr. Paul’s approach unique is the broad array of sentencing and voting rights law changes he embraces, positions that often put him at odds with many in his own party.

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Why so few other prominent Republicans are aggressively reaching out to blacks is perplexing to some in the party.

“I’m very disappointed that Rand Paul is having to be the bell cow for the Republican National Committee,” said J. C. Watts, the former Oklahoma representative who was one of just a handful of black Republicans to serve in Congress in modern times. “They talk about outreach, but I see very little that they’re doing.”

Referring to Mr. Paul’s approach, Mr. Watts added, “These are things that we should have been doing for the last 25 years.”

The Republican National Committee has begun trying to build a better outreach program. Its chairman, Reince Priebus, spoke at the same Urban League conference as Mr. Paul this week. It has opened two offices specifically for African-American engagement, in Charlotte and Detroit. The party has started building a file to identify black voters who might be persuaded to vote Republican. And it has hired a staff of roughly 15 people to lead black outreach.

To the extent that Mr. Paul’s support among black voters has been measured by polls, it shows ample room for improvement. When he ran for the Senate in 2010, exit polls showed that he received 13 percent of Kentucky’s black vote, which puts him near where many other Republican candidates have polled recently. Compared to other possible rivals for the 2016 Republican nomination, he is somewhere in the middle. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida got 4 percent of the black vote in 2010. Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey received 21 percent.

A sizable portion of the black electorate seems to have no opinion of Mr. Paul yet, even as he crisscrosses the country courting their votes. Fox News asked black voters about him in April and found that 35 percent had never heard of him. Seventeen percent viewed him favorably 44 percent viewed him unfavorably.

“If you don’t ask for the sale, you don’t get it,” said Mr. Scott, the senator from South Carolina who said Mr. Paul had sought his advice. “And that’s true in politics.”

Michael Steele, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee who was the first African-American to hold that position, said that some of Mr. Paul’s greatest barriers to overcome will not be Democrats but Republicans. “I applaud him for making it uncomfortable for the party,” Mr. Steele said. “And I suspect he’s going to make it even more uncomfortable. He should because how can you reconcile saying, ‘Black people, we want you in the party.’ Then party leaders back policy and legislation that alienates the black community.”

There is still a year and a half to go before the Republican Party begins holding its primaries. That has not only given Mr. Paul an advantage over other rivals inside the party, but puts him well ahead of where Mr. Romney was four years ago.

“Go back to 2012, and Mitt Romney showed up at the N.A.A.C.P. after he secured the nomination because he had to,” said Donna Brazile, the Democratic strategist. She went on to describe her first encounter with Mr. Romney in 2012, an awkward one that, to her, summed up the party’s problems. “He came up to me and said, ‘Hi, Gwen,’ ” she recalled, meaning Gwen Ifill, the PBS journalist, who is also black. “Poor thing. He didn’t know.”

A spokeswoman for Mr. Romney did not return a message seeking comment.

Ms. Brazile and Mr. Paul have become friendly through encounters of their own in the green room at CNN, where Ms. Brazile is a contributor. She said she has grown to appreciate the broad array of issues he seems to grasp that are important to blacks.

“Everybody treats the black community as if we have to be told about food stamps and welfare,” she said. “That’s talking to us as if it’s 1964. And I think Rand Paul understands that.”





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