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re: Faith in "Science" = "man made religion" (Evolution related)
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:58 am to ApexTiger
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:58 am to ApexTiger
I think we have a wrong definition of faith and because of this Christians sometimes argue that science is faith, and atheists argue that science is no faith.
I would argue that faith is a religious thing only. Faith is responding to God's voice, so you can't have faith in science.
Rather science is more of belief. I believe in evolution you don't have faith in evolution.
Things that are supernatural require faith to believe in it. Science is not supernatural.
I would argue that faith is a religious thing only. Faith is responding to God's voice, so you can't have faith in science.
Rather science is more of belief. I believe in evolution you don't have faith in evolution.
Things that are supernatural require faith to believe in it. Science is not supernatural.
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:59 am to Enadious
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Enadious
first of all long time no see, good to see you back on the poli board.
second wow I completely agree with you
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:06 am to Pectus
I got 14 seconds in to where it says apes turn into humans.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:36 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Provide the scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
Until you do, the blind faith of people who believe it did is based on the same amount of scientific evidence as the blind faith of people who believe God created life.
Zero.
you have no concept of 'faith' and your comparison of the two is stupid.
faith is belief on bad or absent evidence
science and the resulting hypothesis about the natural world including what happened billions of years ago is based on the best evidence from several convergent disciplines and what that evidence suggests happened
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:39 pm to ApexTiger
Science requires I rely on faith as little as possible. For instance, I have 'faith' that everytime I add a + b, it will equal b + a - regardless of choice of a and b. That's not something I can prove, because I can't possible test all cases of a and b. But without relying on that assumption - most of science wouldn't be possible.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:47 pm to SpidermanTUba
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For instance, I have 'faith' that everytime I add a + b, it will equal b + a - regardless of choice of a and b. That's not something I can prove,
a physicist should know that it is provable, fake scientist.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:50 pm to CptBengal
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physicist should know that it is provable, fake scientist.
I'm more of a Muslim than he is a scientist.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:55 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I have 'faith' that everytime I add a + b, it will equal b + a
do you not understand logic?
a + b will always equal b + a. Every single time.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:57 pm to catholictigerfan
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a + b will always equal b + a. Every single time
what a joke this clown claims to have a PhD in physics, yet doesnt even understand basic mathematics.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:05 pm to Cruiserhog
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you have no concept of 'faith' and your comparison of the two is stupid.
faith is belief on bad or absent evidence
I said "blind faith" not "faith" for a reason. I used the word "blind" as an intensifier.
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"Blind faith" is classifying "faith" to mean "faith without evidence or proof."
The differences between faith & blind faith are simple. Faith is believing in something; with or without any information about whatever that something is. Blind-faith... is lacking in some component(s) of information but still continuing to believe in something
You can have faith that something will occur knowing that the evidence suggests the outcome... but blind-faith is having faith something will occur with no evidence or conflicting evidence against that outcome.
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science and the resulting hypothesis about the natural world including what happened billions of years ago is based on the best evidence from several convergent disciplines and what that evidence suggests happened
If people who believe that life evolved from non-life don't have that belief based solely on blind faith then they should be able to provide some scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
Since they haven't then until they do their belief is based on blind faith alone and is no different than the blind faith of people who believe that God created life.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:14 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If people who believe that life evolved from non-life don't have that belief based solely on blind faith then they should be able to provide some scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
As was pointed out to you earlier, the theory of evolution makes no claims about the origin of life. Abiogenesis is another topic entirely.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:15 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If people who believe that life evolved from non-life don't have that belief based solely on blind faith then they should be able to provide some scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
What we know: there is life. life evolves.
What we don't know: how life came into existence.
Which point are you trying to argue? If it's the latter, it's not an evolution discussion anymore.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:24 pm to thetempleowl
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That is not evolution. Do we need to explain this to you?
Idiots everywhere bring this up and just demonstrate that they don't understand the difference between evolution and abiogenesis.
You just want to limit the evolution debate to evolution within a species or evolution of one species into another species.
However, the evolution debate also includes the evolution of life from non-life.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:28 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:No, it doesn't. Evolution leaves the origin of life open to the possibility that a creator added the spark of life to the soup.
However, the evolution debate also includes the evolution of life from non-life.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:31 pm to DawgfaninCa
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However, the evolution debate also includes the evolution of life from non-life.
Nope.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:35 pm to ApexTiger
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:37 pm to ApexTiger
Without watching the video, I'm gonna guess Ray Comfort?
Regardless of who or what that video contains, it's both impressive and depressing to see the lengths to which some will go to defend a belief system. The craziest part is that a denial of evolution isn't even a requirement to be a Christian and the largest Christian church on the planet actually accepts it.
Religious people always talk of non-believers and the pride involved in rejecting God, but at it's most basic roots a denial of evolution is nothing more than stubborn pride.
Regardless of who or what that video contains, it's both impressive and depressing to see the lengths to which some will go to defend a belief system. The craziest part is that a denial of evolution isn't even a requirement to be a Christian and the largest Christian church on the planet actually accepts it.
Religious people always talk of non-believers and the pride involved in rejecting God, but at it's most basic roots a denial of evolution is nothing more than stubborn pride.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:38 pm to HeadChange
What is the difference between adaptation and evolution?
Sure, things evolved over millions of years but isn't that adaptation for survival?
Evolution in the video was pushing the question "Evolved from species to another type"
Sure, things evolved over millions of years but isn't that adaptation for survival?
Evolution in the video was pushing the question "Evolved from species to another type"
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:40 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Provide the scientific evidence that life evolved from non-life.
This is abiogenesis, an idea that is entirely separate from evolution. Evolution makes no claims about the origins of life, only how subsequent life forms came to be.
Abiogenesis is actually debated in the scientific community, evolution is not.
That being said, there is some pretty solid evidence that life can come from non-life.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 5:42 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The craziest part is that a denial of evolution isn't even a requirement to be a Christian and the largest Christian church on the planet actually accepts it.
It's funny. If God left all the clues there, and gave you a brain to put all the pieces together, he's probably up there
to anyone who denies the truth. "Where did I screw up? Is it that book I had those numbskulls with limited knowledge write?"
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