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re: Zac Stacy or Montee Ball??

Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by Schmelly
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:41 pm to
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My league has an opening. Would you like to join?
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:44 pm to
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Im torn between these two as well. There are two deciding factors to watch closely in the first few preseason games. 1. Can Montee Ball pass protect? That was his achilles heel last yr. If Manning is hit multiple times a game because Ball missed his assignment, that will not bode well for his fused neck (especially supporting that gigantic frickin head of his). 2. Just how much more explosive is Tre Mason than Zac Stacy? It's a given that Mason will more than likely be the more talented overall back on the roster. There is something to say about Stacy's style though as he's one cut and go. If Mason can show the same intincts for running as Stacy does, I think he will be on the field more than everyone anticipates. All that said, I want Ball because he will have so many goalline opportunities. If he can pass block, he will be a top 5 fantasy back. If he cant, then he will fall off of the face of the Earth.
awesome post. You're dead on about ball's pass pro. And I'll add one more. Remember his fumblitis last year?!
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 2:45 pm to
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What are your other keeper options? What rounds do they count for? Scoring?
dont count for any rounds & we're 1/2 ppr
Posted by Dr_Tim_Whatley
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:42 pm to
Im curious to hear more on People's reasons for ball over Stacy.

Monte has risk as he did fumble and sometime struggle to pass protect.

Stacy on the other hand was a monster second half of year.

I could see ppr you lean towards ball, but non ppr don't know why you go with ball

First few rounds are about minimizing risk more than trying to hit home runs IMO
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 6:43 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:43 pm to
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Americans live in an instant gratification society. We complain when our Internet connections are slow and unresponsive, demand Venti-sized iced coffees made promptly each morning and rush through dates in the hope of satisfying our libidos.

When it comes to fantasy football, we’re just as impatient.

In early drafts last year, owners circumvented Eddie Lacy, Giovani Bernard, Le’Veon Bell (pre-injury) and Zac Stacy banking on Montee Ball being the rookie running back to own. With only mediocre Knowshon Moreno and Ronnie Hillman to conquer, it seemed highly probable the Wisconsin product would seize control of the Broncos backfield in short order. After all, once acquired at No. 58 in last April’s NFL Draft GM John Elway compared him to Terrell Davis, the same Mile High stallion who fostered fantasy man-crushes from coast-to-coast during his heyday in the late 90s

No pressure.

As a result, the fantasy community went bonkers over his potential. Yahoo’s own Michael Salfino went as far as taking him with the No. 13 pick in the 2013 Roto Arcade Mock. Few drafters followed suit, but he still went at pick No. 63.8 (RB24) on average in Yahoo leagues, well ahead of Bernard, Bell and Shane Vereen. In highly competitive formats, he went considerably earlier, especially in drafts conducted in the first half of August.

Naturally, though, he lowered many into the red.

Moreno, largely because of his reliability in pass protection and ball security, emerged from the fray and quickly established himself as Denver’s lead horse, delivering a top-five fantasy season at the position. Ball did provide glimpses of his upside (e.g. Week 13 at KC; 13-117-0). Overall, he totaled 4.69 yards per carry, generating 54.7 percent of his yards after initial contact. However, his No. 48 ranking in per game average forced many to choke down crow. Those who endured the hardship proclaimed “Never again,” failing to put his season into the proper context (i.e. He’s a rookie who played for a Hall of Fame QB with high standards).

But don’t drop the Ball.

There are several widely believed myths about Montee, knocks which cast him in an unfair light. Here are the three biggest:

Myth 1: Because of poor ball security, he shouldn't be trusted carrying fine china, babies or oblong objects wrapped in brown leather. It's always difficult to erase early season memories. On his first 33 touches, Ball put the pill on the ground twice, one in front of large national TV audience in the Manning Bowl. As a result, he quickly gained a butter-hands reputation. However, he only coughed it up one time over his next 140 grips. In college, that streak was barely a drop in the bucket. While at Wisconsin, he didn't fumble until his 803rd career touch. Let that soak in for a moment. His early hiccups were fluky. When it comes to holding onto the rock, the man is the definition of reliable.

Myth 2: When oncoming rushers shoot through the gap, he morphs into Casper, the sack friendly ghost. Several scouts questioned Ball's ability to pick up the blitz entering last season's NFL Draft. More of a cut blocker, it was an area of concern. Throughout training camp and the preseason, he occasionally struggled identifying and blowing up the oncoming rush, missteps that practically cemented Moreno's stake as RB1. However, being the worker bee Ball is, he greatly improved as the season wore on. In fact, according to Pro Football Focus, he graded out higher than Knowshon in pass blocking. At first he experienced a few growing pains, but he developed into a trustworthy protector.

Myth 3: The University of Wisconsin is known for its epic parties, beautiful scenery and Bo Ryan, not for cranking out high-quality NFL running backs. Michael Bennett, Brian Calhoun, Ron Dayne – admittedly, the Badgers haven't birthed a bunch of All-Pros. But, to be fair, Bennett and Dayne did contribute meaningful production at times. Remember, the gifts 'Candy Cane' Dayne left under the tree during his stirring fantasy playoff run with Houston in 2006? And recall Bennett was a viable RB2 in 2002 with the Minnesota Vikings when he finished with 1,647 total yards and six touchdowns. Essentially, the sample size is too small to dismiss a player because of college affiliation. Keep in mind Ball ranks fourth in Big Ten history in rushing yards and holds the conference and NCAA record for career TDs with 77. He isn't your average Badger.

Bottom line: Drafters who buy into the above myths will stupidly bypass a sure-fire RB1 in drafts this summer. The offensive environment and lack of meaningful competition (Enough with the C.J. Anderson is 'God' chatter, haters), practically rubber stamps a 300-touch workload. Peyton Manning, who's sung Ball's praises this offseason, has the utmost confidence the rusher will take the next step. History supports that notion. As industry colleague Denny Carter recently pointed out, primary RBs who've played alongside No. 18 averaged 1,518 combined yards and 10.4 touchdowns per season, an output nearly identical to what DeMarco Murray, the eighth-best rusher in fantasy, accomplished last year. And, again, that's just the average. Ball, like Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai and Moreno before him, will see few defenders in the box. A top-five season is on the horizon.

The idea Ball is a high-risk pick in Round 1 is yet another laughable untruth. Last year was last year.

Bury the hatchet.
Posted by hoopsgalore
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2013
8635 posts
Posted on 7/26/14 at 8:02 am to
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awesome post. You're dead on about ball's pass pro. And I'll add one more. Remember his fumblitis last year?!



Pass protection is something that can be coached. The guy simply wasn't needed all that much in that role at Wisconsin. He carried the ball so damn much and Wisconsin used so much play-action that he hardly ever had to pick up ends, etc. He's still learning, and he'll get there.

Ball's fumbling issues as a rookie are probably an anomaly. He was about as secure as one could ask for in college. It took him over 800 touches before his first fumble in college. That is unbelievable. I wouldn't be too worried.

Ball started getting a lot more work beginning in December of last season. In extended playing time, he didn't fumble once. That is more of the Montee we are used to seeing.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
28357 posts
Posted on 7/26/14 at 10:42 am to
Bal will be splitting carries this season
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11139 posts
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:43 am to
I like them both, but i see Ball as a low-end RB1 and Stacy as a high end RB2.

If you can choose between the 2, you have to go with Ball. Too many things working in his favor. (weaker schedule, better offense, more opportunities to run out the clock, no more Moreno, no stacked defensive fronts, more goalline chances, nobody challenging him for lead-back duties)

You cant say any of that about Stacy, and i really like Stacy, since i had him last year and am keeping him this year. If you want to make a case for Stacy, it would be that Denver's offense centers around Peyton and St louis' will center around Stacy. But i still dont think it outweighs Ball's situation.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 11:44 am
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
14431 posts
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:00 pm to
Good discussion. Just realizing that I don't have to choose. I get both. Our keeper rules are you can keep anyone after. Rd 11 & 1 rookie. Ball will be my rookie & Stacy will be one of the "after 11s". Was gonna go ball without a doubt though

Posted by chalupa
Member since Jan 2011
6755 posts
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:56 pm to
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Zac Stacy and Montee Ball will be 5th or 6th round picks. I'd pick up Danny Woodhead if you're in PPR league around that pick. You'll be good with the reception points/


Do you even fantasy football bro?
Posted by chalupa
Member since Jan 2011
6755 posts
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:56 pm to
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Ball will be my rookie


Ball isn't a rookie though...
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
14431 posts
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:27 pm to
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Ball isn't a rookie though...
you can keep one guy from your last years team who was a rookie
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