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Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:10 am to CocomoLSU
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I just know a punk bitch when I see one, and Danielle Larusso is one punk bitch....that you will blindly defend to the death.
I've admitted that Daniel's a flawed individual. Yet you bash him for doing similar things that which you give Johnny a pass.
And the idea that Daniel should have never hosed Johnny down is just flat out wrong. The beatings/harassment weren't going to stop. He was a twenty-something year old high school student with nothing to lose.
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Also, John was easily better than Danielsan at karate,
I would think that someone that is "easily better" than someone else at karate would be able to easily dispose of that person when they are fighting on one fricking leg.
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and actually should have won the match had he not been cheated out of it by the officials.
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And don't get me started on Dutch...he was the baddest arse of them all. He just didn't take it seriously.
He is lacking karate where it matters most..... The head and the heart. It is the downfall of all who train with Cobra Kai
Baddest arse? Probably
But Daniel is better at karate
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 9:16 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
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I would think that someone that is "easily better" than someone else at karate would be able to easily dispose of that person when they are fighting on one fricking leg.
It was only one leg for a single point, and Daniel threw something at him he had never seen before.
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Nah...it's detailed in my thread from a couple years ago that I linked earlier...he won legitimate points yet wasn't awarded them all. Not to mention that Daniel wasn't a black belt and shouldn't have qualified to begin with.
But we're just saying the same shite over and over at this point, and it's getting boring. So let's just agree to disagree and move on.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:08 am to Pilot Tiger
I've been in tournaments where I've landed single punches and kicks for points, but they wanted us to keep fighting to have a decided win for that point. Like follow the contact with a combo or something.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:39 am to Henry Jones Jr
I've read through most of the thread, except perhaps some of serial long quotes (Jesus, Coco...) and there are some good points made. Except for Droplinebacker - he made no good points.
Daniel Laruso is a classic passive-aggressive manipulator, to be sure. He tries to win Ali affection by whatever means available, and when his direct physical attacks fail, he tries more indirect means. Notably, although Ali never looks down on Daniel poverty, he uses her family's wealthy status against her, to make her feel guilty and feel like she owes him. He taunts the Cobra Kai's during the truce, which is in very bad faith and should have been viewed as breaching the agreement, but anyway.
Karate Kid is not about bullying, or fighting, or courage, it's about one thing. Pussy. Pussy is the driving force behind literally everything that happens in this movie. It's the reason Daniel-san and Johnny and the Cobra Kais initially get into conflict. Pussy is the reason they stay in and escalate the conflict. Johnny - this guy can have any chick in school, but does he move on? No, he is also obsessed with one particular vajay. Pussy is the reason Daniel is motivated to learn to fight and even wins at the Tourney. Without pussy, he never would have gotten back out on that mat.
Hell, look at the Patriarch of the movie: pussy is even the reason Miyagi perseveres and thrives - pussy he hasn't seen in 40 frickING years. This master of karate and life in general is still hung up on pussy from many decades ago! He never even married and had kids because of his fixation.
Perhaps it's a warning to young men who put the pussy on a pedestal or allow it to ruin their lives? Perhaps it's a testament to what a man inspired by pussy can accomplish? Maybe both? But make no mistake friends, this movie is about clam.
And don't get me started on Karate Kid 2.
Daniel Laruso is a classic passive-aggressive manipulator, to be sure. He tries to win Ali affection by whatever means available, and when his direct physical attacks fail, he tries more indirect means. Notably, although Ali never looks down on Daniel poverty, he uses her family's wealthy status against her, to make her feel guilty and feel like she owes him. He taunts the Cobra Kai's during the truce, which is in very bad faith and should have been viewed as breaching the agreement, but anyway.
Karate Kid is not about bullying, or fighting, or courage, it's about one thing. Pussy. Pussy is the driving force behind literally everything that happens in this movie. It's the reason Daniel-san and Johnny and the Cobra Kais initially get into conflict. Pussy is the reason they stay in and escalate the conflict. Johnny - this guy can have any chick in school, but does he move on? No, he is also obsessed with one particular vajay. Pussy is the reason Daniel is motivated to learn to fight and even wins at the Tourney. Without pussy, he never would have gotten back out on that mat.
Hell, look at the Patriarch of the movie: pussy is even the reason Miyagi perseveres and thrives - pussy he hasn't seen in 40 frickING years. This master of karate and life in general is still hung up on pussy from many decades ago! He never even married and had kids because of his fixation.
Perhaps it's a warning to young men who put the pussy on a pedestal or allow it to ruin their lives? Perhaps it's a testament to what a man inspired by pussy can accomplish? Maybe both? But make no mistake friends, this movie is about clam.
And don't get me started on Karate Kid 2.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 10:56 am to USMCTiger03
Also something worth pointing out. During the Halloween fight, understand that Johnny was trying to kill, yes KILL, Daniel.
Exhibit A:
Notice Daniel's position in relation to the sign.
Exhibit B:
[Sorry best segment I could get]
Notice that Johnny, executing a Yoko tobi geri or jumping side kick, strikes the board dead center, precisely where the incapacitated Daniel's throat would have been. He could have punched or kicked him some more, but no, despite the pleading, even arguing of his friend to stop, with full forethought Johnny executes a very powerful kick to a vital target area.
Don't take my word for it:
So make no mistake, a black belt and seasoned fighter, Johnny would have been well-versed in not only strikes but also targets. And along with that, the potential vulnerabilities of target areas and, for safety, expected results of such strikes. He even knew that a simple punch to the throat may not have been strong enough, hence the powerful jumping side kick.
I'm not taking up for Daniel, but the facts are that Johnny intended to murder Daniel. Now go home and hug your kids.
Exhibit A:
Notice Daniel's position in relation to the sign.
Exhibit B:
[Sorry best segment I could get]
Notice that Johnny, executing a Yoko tobi geri or jumping side kick, strikes the board dead center, precisely where the incapacitated Daniel's throat would have been. He could have punched or kicked him some more, but no, despite the pleading, even arguing of his friend to stop, with full forethought Johnny executes a very powerful kick to a vital target area.
Don't take my word for it:
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Hitting someone's throat during the fight is quite a lottery. You may either dispose of your assailant quickly and effectively without making much noise and melodrama ...or you can kill him.
One easy and quick strike can put you from streets to jail, or to hospital ...maybe graveyard. SO KEEP YOUR THROAT WELL PROTECTED!
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Although it is not easy to break the cartilage, the whole larynx thing is connected to the rest of the neck only with elastic cords and joints.
A strong hit can then result in acute anatomic damage to the larynx.
When the throat is hit under the cricoid cartilage during head backswept and the neck hyperextended, there is a big danger of larynx separation from the trachea (larynx dislocation).
So make no mistake, a black belt and seasoned fighter, Johnny would have been well-versed in not only strikes but also targets. And along with that, the potential vulnerabilities of target areas and, for safety, expected results of such strikes. He even knew that a simple punch to the throat may not have been strong enough, hence the powerful jumping side kick.
I'm not taking up for Daniel, but the facts are that Johnny intended to murder Daniel. Now go home and hug your kids.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:03 am to CocomoLSU
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It was only one leg for a single point, and Daniel threw something at him he had never seen before.
I meant he only had one good leg.
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Nah...it's detailed in my thread from a couple years ago that I linked earlier...he won legitimate points yet wasn't awarded them all.
I know what you're referring to. You're complaining about officiating. You wear your purple and good well.
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Not to mention that Daniel wasn't a black belt and shouldn't have qualified to begin with.
He's whatever belt his sensei designates him. For stupid American karate tourney purposes, he was obviously more than qualified.
Him not competing wasn't an option, per the agreement with the Cobra Kai.
Regardless, karate no here *points at belt*
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:12 am to USMCTiger03
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Yoko tobi geri
AKA Splinter's most powerful kick
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:19 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
Ive broken down this movie so many times over the last ten years... My conclusion.. Daniel is a young boy whose problems stem from his own arrogance, stubbornness and inability to seal the deal with Ali. While she is the ultimate linchpin in the problems associated with the Daniel, he should have accepted his place in the pecking order as the new guy.
Lets look at some facts.. He has no friends.. He had a shot of integrating himself into Freddy's group but blew it. Freddy by all accounts was the nicest guy around and goes as far to invite the new guy on the first day to hangout.. Whats the new guy do.. fricks up the party and brings heat upon what appears to be a solid group of bros looking to have a good time.. We dont get to see the repercussions but one can assume that Freddy and his boys felt some heat afterwards..
If you notice.. All physical confrontations involving Daniel are a direct result of his own doings.. Who results to sucker punches.. fricking Daniel.. Who mouths off and sticks his head into others business.. fricking Daniel..
Now some will bring up the dirt bike scene in which Daniel cant ride his bike as well as my 8 year old, so let examine the scene..
Daniel comes prancing into Cobra kai.. He swiftly leaves but once again.. hes sticking his nose into others business because there is no fricking way that he didnt know that Johnny and his crew were Cobra Kai's.. Skip to later that evening and hes riding home.. Question.. Where had little Daniel been and what was he doing? Hes riding in a developing area full of dirt bike tracks.. Once again sticking his nose into others business and once again he had to of known this was Johnnys and his crews area.. Now if you pay close attention you'll notice that Johnny and crew never once touched Daniel as he careened off down a small slope.. So they dont touch him and he doesnt now how to ride down hill.. Give me a break..
The list could go and on but the point is clear..
And dont get me started on Loretta..
Lets look at some facts.. He has no friends.. He had a shot of integrating himself into Freddy's group but blew it. Freddy by all accounts was the nicest guy around and goes as far to invite the new guy on the first day to hangout.. Whats the new guy do.. fricks up the party and brings heat upon what appears to be a solid group of bros looking to have a good time.. We dont get to see the repercussions but one can assume that Freddy and his boys felt some heat afterwards..
If you notice.. All physical confrontations involving Daniel are a direct result of his own doings.. Who results to sucker punches.. fricking Daniel.. Who mouths off and sticks his head into others business.. fricking Daniel..
Now some will bring up the dirt bike scene in which Daniel cant ride his bike as well as my 8 year old, so let examine the scene..
Daniel comes prancing into Cobra kai.. He swiftly leaves but once again.. hes sticking his nose into others business because there is no fricking way that he didnt know that Johnny and his crew were Cobra Kai's.. Skip to later that evening and hes riding home.. Question.. Where had little Daniel been and what was he doing? Hes riding in a developing area full of dirt bike tracks.. Once again sticking his nose into others business and once again he had to of known this was Johnnys and his crews area.. Now if you pay close attention you'll notice that Johnny and crew never once touched Daniel as he careened off down a small slope.. So they dont touch him and he doesnt now how to ride down hill.. Give me a break..
The list could go and on but the point is clear..
And dont get me started on Loretta..
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:42 am to TROLA
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Daniel comes prancing into Cobra kai.. He swiftly leaves but once again.. hes sticking his nose into others business because there is no fricking way that he didnt know that Johnny and his crew were Cobra Kai's.
I'll excuse him for this because besides the painting outside on the wall saying "Karate" there was nothing to denote "Cobra Kai".
However, as I noted earlier, at this point, Daniel had only had the beach fight with Johnny and the incident on the soccer field with Bobby (where he pummeled Bobby and suffered no physical retaliation afterward)
So what was he doing at Cobra Kai? Obviously looking for some personalized karate instruction because he felt he had some unfinished business and wanted to learn how to kick Johnny's arse! Johnny stone cold busted him and that's why he went after him later that night on the dirt bike trail.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:45 am to USMCTiger03
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I'm not taking up for Daniel, but the facts are that Johnny intended to murder Daniel. Now go home and hug your kids.
That's a pretty strong accusation. Johnny was high and may have been suffering the effects of some bad marijuana. Possibly even laced without his knowledge.
Of course, should he have killed Daniel, he would have had to face the music but saying that this was intentional attempted murder is a little strong, IMHO.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:50 am to Walking the Earth
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That's a pretty strong accusation. Johnny was high and may have been suffering the effects of some bad marijuana. Possibly even laced without his knowledge.
Had they smoked already? They never got to smoke that horribly twisted POS Johnny was rolling in the shitter.
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Of course, should he have killed Daniel, he would have had to face the music but saying that this was intentional attempted murder is a little strong, IMHO.
Is it that strong? Especially knowing the "karate" that Krease was teaching his students?
"An enemy deserves no mercy"
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:55 am to CocomoLSU
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Dude smarted off every chance he got and was nothing other than sarcastic to everyone
have you ever met people from the New England?
"frick you" is practically their colloquial greeting.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:16 pm to MrFreakinMiyagi
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It should be illegal to roll a joint as pathetically as Johnny does.
This is the first rational point you've made in this entire thread.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:38 pm to Droplinebacker
Knowing that you disagree with me as wholeheartedly as you do only solidifies my position.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:56 pm to CocomoLSU
Um, excuse me, but those propaganda videos are produced by Cobra Kai and sponsored by Dynatox Industries, owned by one Terry Silver. Clearly no bias there.
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Trespassing
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:57 pm to UL-SabanRival
quote:GTFO
those propaganda videos
Posted on 7/25/14 at 1:09 pm to Walking the Earth
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That's a pretty strong accusation. Johnny was high and may have been suffering the effects of some bad marijuana. Possibly even laced without his knowledge.
He didn't look impaired when beating up Daniel nor do I think that could be a defense.
Again clearly:
Skill, knowledge of actor.
Victim visibly incapacitated.
A pause of action with friend pointing out the victim's condition and pleading to stop.
Actor responds with powerful blow aimed at neck of victim, which was strong enough to break the sigh behind the victim.
What do you think would have happened if Miyagi hadn't been there and that kick connected to Daniel's neck?
I can't imagine what more you'd need to see it.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 7/25/14 at 1:12 pm to Pilot Tiger
I would just like to comend everyone in this thread for thier dedication to each party involved and keeping me entertained on my slow friday.
Team Johnny for life!
Team Johnny for life!
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