re: When/How do we start punishing parents for disasterous parenting?

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but if you can't get your kid to school everyday and ensure he's punished at home for bad behavior, you don't deserve welfare/WIC/FS benefits for that child.

fyi, that's a "less government" solution

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that is an additional law, and more bureaucrats involved in schools, more paper work, etc etc etc.

yes people lose welfare and the like but you have to increase government to enforce this law you propose.

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this is backbone of the OP

and this is one very easy target. a recurring theme in discussing people of lesser/poor culture is this double argument that develops from those defending bad decision makers/parents.

1. we cannot blame the children who exhibit poor behavior due to cultural influences, from their parents

2. we will not blame the parents or take steps to punish them for the resulting behavior found in #1

this is a thread about framing an argument in the face of liberals talking out of both sides of their mouth to avoid blaming people for their own bad decisions (or vicariously, via parenting). this is not some "bait and switch" post where i just brought up the argument/framing


one of the biggest reasons in terms of macro policy that we are where we are is due to the safety net (and the emerging culture of the lower class mindset). like i said earlier, shame doesn't exist and pride has dissolved.

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I see what your getting at I guess

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in an ideal world? removing the safety net...or limiting it to something like 12 months (doesn't have to be consecutive) for every 10 years of working, or something similar. that way there is a legit "safety net" for people in transitional periods, but they cannot live off the system long-term.

and i mean 12 months of anything you can think of. welfare, food stamps, section 8, WIC, medicaid, etc

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that would help but if part of your solution is to punish parents that doesn't do it.

Maybe you don't want to do that and I misread the OP, but it seems you want to punish parents.

Note: I think that reducing or even eliminating welfare is good because it causes the poor to become dependent on the government. Handouts aren't good for anyone, I think that there should be some type of government program that helps those who are poor to raise out of poverty, it should be private but if the private sector can't do it I'm fine with the government getting involved.

So to put it simply, I don't think punishing disastrous parenting is the best way to fix the major problem of the family in this country. Rather there needs to be a system sets up that helps parents parent better so to speak. Hand outs enable slothful living. If a parent is poor but has a kid or two there should be something that can help him/her to raise the child and eventually do that without help. Hopefully private charity can do it but if not the government should step in.