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re: When/How do we start punishing parents for disasterous parenting?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Going after the parents is closing the barn doors after the cows are all out. We need something a little more comprehensive, a little more... old-school. We need shame.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:17 pm to Revelator
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Then how is the problem rectified without a nanny state over site?
most of these problems are due to the nanny state and crony capitalism (corn subsidies and sugar protection)
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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am i the only one who is blown away that health insurance is not dependent on weight?
Why weight?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:18 pm to Duke
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Then tax the shite out of processed foods and foods with excess sugar.
I hate sin taxes. You're punishing those that can eat responsibly for the sake of punishing the obese more.
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Then throw in extra subsidies for health insurance for those who stay at a healthy weight.
Cigarette/lotto/alcohol taxes are frequently passed with promises to help in this type of manner, but most of that money inevitably gets pissed away on stupid shite.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
The parents of these young fat asses are probably the ones bitching about Michele Obama trying to introduce healthier nutrition in the public schools.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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BDMs
I need to know what this is.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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most of these problems are due to the nanny state and crony capitalism (corn subsidies and sugar protection)
My main point was that all negative behaviors affect society as a whole and the old librarian refrain," whatever I do is fine as long as I don't step on anyone else," line is simply fantasy. Almost everything someone does affects society as a whole one way or another. And how does one strike a balance between freedom and carelessness?
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:22 pm to Toddy
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The parents of these young fat asses are probably the ones bitching about Michele Obama trying to introduce healthier nutrition in the public schools.
Wouldn't doubt it.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:25 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Why weight?
Yeah, straight up weight doesn't make sense. Should be based on a lot more than that. Obamacare is clearly a disaster, but the system before was a mess. No incentive to shop around, and my employer provided health care didn't take my physical well being into consideration. Why wasn't I required to visit a doctor for a checkup to reflect the costs?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:31 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Why weight?
well fat, more than weight
and smoking
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:31 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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I need to know what this is.
Bad Decision Makers
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:32 pm to Revelator
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and the old librarian refrain," whatever I do is fine as long as I don't step on anyone else," line is simply fantasy.
if i don't have to pay (directly, indirectly, or via taxation) for your fatness (or coke habit, etc), then i don't care
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if i don't have to pay (directly, indirectly, or via taxation) for your fatness (or coke habit, etc), then i don't care
Even under the old form of private health insurance you paid for these in higher premiums.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:35 pm to Revelator
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Even under the old form of private health insurance you paid for these in higher premiums.
you're right, but i don't see how the unhealthy didn't pay more. i presume that was due to regulatory action
if they have to pay more, then they more than make up for this
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:36 pm to THRILLHO
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You're punishing those that can eat responsibly for the sake of punishing the obese more.
No. I'm creating an incentive structure to encourage good decision making. The costs of obesity is immense. When you have food that is bad for you, tastes good and is cheap, people are going to buy more of it. Yes it will cost you more for that ice cream, but what will it save on your income tax bill lowering the cost of medicare/medicaid? The cost of your health insurance not having such high demand for medical services due to preventable diseases due to obesity?
Also, this tax won't go to the subsidies of insurance. I don't care where the money for that comes from, it's another incentive to live healthier. I'd rather not see the government need to do it, but this obviously isn't fixing it's self on the merits of awareness. You want people to make better choices, give them another reason to.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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socially ostracizing and criticizing is a possible avenue.
Couldn't work in our current PC society where you aren't allowed to say or do anything which might offend someone.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Look I'm certainly not for more government, I'm just saying that once religion was used to regulate people's lifestyles and habits and since religion has been systematically removed as the schoolmaster to influence behaviors, government has replaced it.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:47 pm to Revelator
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once religion was used to regulate people's lifestyles and habits and since religion has been systematically removed as the schoolmaster to influence behaviors, government has replaced it.
when was the last state without policing via the state to regulate people's behavior?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:49 pm to Duke
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Yes it will cost you more for that ice cream, but what will it save on your income tax bill lowering the cost of medicare/medicaid?
I see that as more of a Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare problem than a "bad food is undertaxed" problem. It's why I'd eliminate Obamacare and replace foodstamps with the generic healthy food stamps. It lets people that can afford their own health insurance to pay for their poor eating habits while forcing people that are on the government tit to eat healthy.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:54 pm to Toddy
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Michele Obama trying to introduce healthier nutrition in the public schools.
Michelle can implement her meal plan nationwide once Barry opens his Fat Loss/political reeducation camps.
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