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re: Harry Reid's nuclear option to appoint Federal judges pays off.

Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:02 pm to
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:02 pm to
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I do disagree with how much of a process its become to confirm a district judge. I can understand circuit judges and of course USSC justices. However, unless there is a huge red flag, basically this process should be painless.


Which no Democrat cared about when it was Bush's appointees being held up. And now vice versa. Except Reid short-circuited the process after getting on his high horse when he might lose.
Posted by fleaux
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:05 pm to
Right, so if its not established by a state then it isn't an Exchange.....
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:08 pm to
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Right, so if its not established by a state then it isn't an Exchange..

By law, every state has an Exchange.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 6:11 pm
Posted by fleaux
section 0
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8741 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:12 pm to
By law, humans can't have sex with animals either but apparently it happens
Posted by FalseProphet
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:11 pm to
I'd back off this argument Rex. No court has held that the ACA unambiguously provides for subsidies on the federal exchange. In fact, even those that have upheld it have said that the ambiguity is the hook that allows the IRS to implement the regulations.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:13 pm to
Rex...you are fricking retarded.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:50 pm to
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I'd back off this argument Rex. No court has held that the ACA unambiguously provides for subsidies on the federal exchange. In fact, even those that have upheld it have said that the ambiguity is the hook that allows the IRS to implement the regulations.

Judge Davis in his Fourth Circuit concurrence rejects the ambiguity rationale of the other two judges. I've read both the DC and Fourth Circuit decisions in their entirety (majority, concurring, and dissenting opinions), and Davis makes the most sense.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:52 pm to
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I've read both the DC and Fourth Circuit decisions in their entirety (majority, concurring, and dissenting opinions), and Davis gives me hope to start the day tomorrow.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73417 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:02 pm to
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affordable coverage for EVERY American
Well you got shite paid for by other people, no wonder you are acting like the air humping puppy you are.
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:46 am to
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Yes, 36b says subsidies are available to exchanges established by a state, but the very definition of "Exchange" embodied in the law is that they ARE established by states. 36b is not at all ambiguous, although it is a tad bit redundant.


Rex LIES again.

You forgot the part in sec. 36B which says ...

quote:

enrolled in through an Exchange established by the State under section 1311



The Federal Exchange that you signed up for was established under section 1321(c), NOT sec. 1311.

Have you no shame you lying piece of sh!t?
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:52 am to
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Seriously, 72-6 downvote?



UPDATE -- It's now up to 111-6!




UPDATED AGAIN -- It's now up to 113-6!




Just remember Rex -- We're all laughing AT you, not WITH you!
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 5:46 am
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:55 am to
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Davis makes the most sense.


Only in your fevered imagination.

LC
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:42 am to
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UPDATED AGAIN -- It's now up to 113-6!


At this rate he may file bullying charges, like that parent did when his kid's team got beat 91-0 by the eventual state champs.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:57 am to
No he doesn't. He just comes closest to your desired outcome. Look no further than your signature quote.
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:18 am to
There is is no ambiguity, just as Davis says. BY DEFINITION, an Exchange is a legal entity established by a State. Sec 1321 is merely the mechanism for HHS to implement the state's Exchange under sec 1311 standards when the state can not or chooses not to. There are no "Federal exchanges", there are only Federally-facilitated exchanges.
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:02 am to
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Sec 1321 is merely the mechanism for HHS to implement the state's Exchange under sec 1311 standards when the state can not or chooses not to.


There is NOTHING in 1311 that allows the Feds to set up an exchange. Therefore, an exchange established under 1321(c) is NOT an exchange established under 1311. And, it is CLEARLY not a STATE EXCHANGE, as that term is used in 36B.

Even you can't be as stupid as you're pretending to be. Disingenuous and dishonest? Yes. But this stupid .... NO WAY.

You claim to be a CPA. If you were a CPA you would know the judicial rules on deductions and credits which is that they are a matter of legislative grace, and if you don't CLEARLY come within their terms, you're not entitled to the deduction or credit. The whole point of 36B is to give a credit. This credit is a matter of legislative grace. Since you don't not qualify under the CLEAR TERMS as expressed in 36B, you don't get the credit.


ETA: The "standards" are not established under sec. 1311. The standards are set up pursuant to the authority in sec. 1321(a).

quote:

SEC. 1321. STATE FLEXIBILITY IN OPERATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF EXCHANGES AND RELATED REQUIREMENTS.

(a) Establishment of Standards-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall, as soon as practicable after the date of enactment of this Act, issue regulations setting standards for meeting the requirements under this title, and the amendments made by this title, with respect to—
(A) the establishment and operation of Exchanges (including SHOP Exchanges);

(B) the offering of qualified health plans through such Exchanges;

(C) the establishment of the reinsurance and risk adjustment programs under part V; and

(D) such other requirements as the Secretary determines appropriate.

The preceding sentence shall not apply to standards for requirements under subtitles A and C (and the amendments made by such subtitles) for which the Secretary issues regulations under the Public Health Service Act.


You LOSE AGAIN, Rex.

Are there no depth to the slime that you will sink to support this scumbag administration?
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 9:12 am
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