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re: How does an anarchist state defend itself from foreign invasion?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 10:57 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 7/21/14 at 10:57 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Like communism, it looks great on paper
Why do people say this? Communism looks terrible on paper.
FWIW not an anarcho capitalist but it's fun to speculate.
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:01 pm to LordoftheManor
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There's a good chance they'd be fighting alongside state armies
oh, so by free-riding.
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that would have their best interest in defending them.
quite a gamble to think you could rely on this when it's your countrymens' lives at stake, and that of their families. not sure how many people would have confidence in this state's ability to protect their freedom
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:03 pm to ninthward
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So they were united by foreign states? or aided? big difference.
What paramilitary group just took on a national force? ISIS
Both, in a way. The Afghan jihad was originally united, supplied, and equipped by both American and Saudi interests. They have then converted to largely Pakistani support (with some under the table support from the Saudis, UAE, Qatar, etc).
ISIS took on a force that was little more than a Shiite tribal band. I should know; I trained those idiots. Two battalions of Quds have wrecked shite against ISIS without having the benefit of air support or real logistical or flank support. They are nothing.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:03 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I don't know, but Afghanistan seems to do it pretty well.
If Afghanistan had oil or anything else rich powerful folks wanted, if would be invaded and conquered. Its not worth the effort and cost to take it.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:05 pm to ninthward
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What paramilitary group just took on a national force? ISIS
ISIS couldn't stop an invasion from a legit force. Fact.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:07 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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With bitcoins mother fricker
Now that is funny
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:12 pm to 90proofprofessional
The Private Production of Defense by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
Haven't read on this at all (still new to this thing) so I'd do a terrible job explaining it. This book is on mises.org and looks interesting.
Haven't read on this at all (still new to this thing) so I'd do a terrible job explaining it. This book is on mises.org and looks interesting.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:14 pm to roygu
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If Afghanistan had oil or anything else rich powerful folks wanted, if would be invaded and conquered. Its not worth the effort and cost to take it.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:15 pm to LordoftheManor
Looks interesting. Will read.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
American Indians?
Mongols?
Mongols?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:18 pm to LordoftheManor
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Haven't read on this at all (still new to this thing) so I'd do a terrible job explaining it.
I just went thru "The Empirical Evidence" section. Did it convince you that "the anarchist state could defend itself from foreign invasion"?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:20 pm to ninthward
I think an anarchist state is a terrible idea.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:24 pm to ninthward
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American Indians?
Probably the worst example you could have cited.
A group of people that were subjugated, oppressed, had all their resources essentially stolen, and, for all practical purposes, had a genocide perpetrated against them? Really?
That's the example you want to use for loosely-affiliated paramilitary success?
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Mongols?
Considering their foes, not much of an argument. They also did little in the way of actually establishing long-term control in any of the areas in which they stepped foot except China.
They were also far ahead of their time technologically. Once everyone else caught up, they were beaten back pretty easily.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:38 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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There exists widespread agreement—among liberal-liber- tarians such as Molinari, rothbard, and the Tannehills as well as most other commentators on the matter—that defense is a form of insurance, and defense expenditures represent a sort of insurance premium (price). accordingly, as rothbard and the Tannehills in particular would emphasize, within the framework of a complex modern economy based on a worldwide division of labor the most likely candidates for offering protection and defense services are insurance agencies. The better the protection of insured property, the lower are the damage claims and hence an insurer’s costs. Thus, to provide efficient protection appears to be in every insurer’s own financial interest; and in fact even now, although restricted and hampered by the state, insurance agencies provide wide-ranging services of protection and indemnification (compensation) to injured private parties. insurance companies fulfill a second essential requirement. Obviously, anyone offering protection services must appear able to deliver on his promises in order to find clients. That is, he must possess the economic means—the manpower as well as the physical resources—nec- essary to accomplish the task of dealing with the dangers, actual or imagined, of the real world. on this count insurance agencies appear to be perfect candidates, too. They operate on a nation- wide and even international scale, and they own large property holdings dispersed over wide territories and beyond single state boundaries. accordingly, they have a manifest self-interest in effective protection, and are big and economically powerful. furthermore, all insurance companies are connected through a network of contractual agreements of mutual assistance and arbitration as well as a system of international reinsurance agen- cies, representing a combined economic power which dwarfs that of most if not all existing governments.
From page 22 - The Private Production of Defense
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:42 am to LordoftheManor
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From page 22 - The Private Production of Defense
In the system envisioned in the paragraph you quoted, economies of scale would allow a single, capable state military to absolutely dominate everyone else.
If one group can scale equipment production & maintenance, training & readiness, and probably tactical coordination- that's a set of advantages that you probably can't overcome without vastly superior tech & weapons. Also, very importantly, the "networks" required for this single group's operations would be far more robust & less costly, as it requires no coordination across groups, such as the creation of a new external group shared crypto for secure communications.
The idea of getting a large group of companies connected by a network of contractual agreements to work together comparably-efficiently in a tactical scenario is silly, especially against something like a Carrier Strike Group. The costs of keeping several disparate groups combat-ready on such a scale are simply far, far greater than doing it for a single large group.
The lone state military wouldn't actually need to be anywhere near as capable as ours currently is, but if it were, no group of private coordinated groups would ever be able to put up a credible fight, for even a few hours. Not toe-to-toe, anyway.
ETA: I could see private groups being useful for things like small-scale security, or guerilla/ insurgent-type shite though.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:43 am to weagle99
There is no state to defend.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:45 am to weagle99
With lots and lots of war crimes.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:50 am to LordoftheManor
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From page 22 - The Private Production of Defense
This is creative writing...just replacing the state with an insurance company(ies). What a joke.
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