re: DC’s Film and TV Universes Will Stay Separate

Keeping them separate is nothing but a great idea. Let Arrow, Flash, Constantine, Gotham, etc. worry about telling their own stories that fit their vision and let the movie side of things tell their own story as well.

How this delved into mouth breathers even bringing up Marvel or saying this is a bad decision is beyond me. Marvel is doing things its preferred way and DC is doing things it ways. The only ones who win here are we the viewing public.

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Keeping them separate is nothing but a great idea. Let Arrow, Flash, Constantine, Gotham, etc. worry about telling their own stories that fit their vision and let the movie side of things tell their own story as well.

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We've talked about this already #1. #2 - It doesn't have to be EVERYTHING if you decide to integrate. Constantine must clearly be its own thing no matter what you do. Probable the same for Gotham.

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How this delved into mouth breathers even bringing up Marvel

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So of course the idea is to bring an effectively dead thread back up. Brilliant.

And it works both ways. The people who are more excited for this don't have to take criticism so personally. There's over reaction on both sides.

So no one can ever talk about the Xbox when talking about the Playstation? Can't talk about Honda when talking about Toyota. It's competition. It's a good thing and it reflects on decisions for both Marvel and DC. To think otherwise is kind of naive. Heck, I'm sure a large part of Marvel's resurgence into film was their lack in ability to create a Dark Knight. Batman trounced Spider-Man for a bit, and was better than the X-Men in both critical acclaim and box office numbers. And those were barely Marvel films. DC has had more control over its properties in film than Marvel over the years.

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Marvel is doing things its preferred way and DC is doing things it ways.

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And no one has stated otherwise.

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The only ones who win here are we the viewing public.

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We only win if they are successful, hence the discussion. Flash will be canned, regardless of quality, if it doesn't sustain viewers. Same with every other show and film. BvS's success is a forgone conclusion given Batman's involvement.


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Fewer Kilometers brought up Marvel first:

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Smart move on their part, as they're expanding into television way faster than Marvel is. Keeps all of their TV options wide open. This is why we're seeing tons of DC characters in every DC television series while Marvel's SHIELD was hamstrung to featuring very few.

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5th post in the thread. So who are the mouth breathers bringing up Marvel?

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You have serious issues.

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Because I correct inaccuracies? Yeah, that's terrible.

I have, on multiple occasions, tried to make this a discussion but you can't see beyond criticism or fault.

Why don't we talk about the idea of having 2 Batmans and forgetting smaller, maybe more interesting characters or storylines that a full expanded universe might bring.

Or why don't we talk about the success of grand narratives like Lost and how that relates to a full universe that people want to interact with?

Or why don't we talk about what we think DC's motivations are, or what they might be planning, or what else might work on the small screen?

Naaaa, let's just insult the other side, such a better conversation.

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Because with you it isn't a conversation. You dissect every line of someone's post, even if they're just stating what they like or don't like about a subject. You assume that everyone is here to debate you.

Your arguments are filled with conjecture that you pass off as fact, which you then attempt to crawfish away from when you're called out on your bullshite.

And you don't mind being corrected. You enjoy it and take it as a challenge to worm your way out of your statements and to look for the slightest inaccuracy or misstep by the person who is correcting you.

Just agree or disagree with people. You don't have to turn every post into a corrected essay test.

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The irony being that if I actually respond or debate this, then I'm just fulfilling your completely inaccurate take on this "discussion." Is that correct? Well done sir.

Look, when a post starts out with an accusation of ignorance, or with a sarcastic remark, or with a complete inaccuracy yeah I'm going to break that down. I probably have a weakness for that. Go look at Bamatab's and I's exchange before BnG and you kind of jumped all in. Honestly, that's what I wanted to talk about, are they sacrificing something by doing this? And that has nothing to do with Marvel and everything to do with Nightwing

And I'm probably not going to change your mind, whatever, but you've got me all wrong. BnG and I were just focused on completely different points through our entire conversation. We (you and me) actually agreed on page 2 then BnG and I continued to get into completely meaningless specifics for stupid reasons.

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Freauxzen can be a good guy, but this happens almost every time with a DC related thread. he eventually just wears you down with giant arguments to the point where it's not worth talking about.

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I mean thanks, but it seems all the negativity and the blame falls on my lap, that I'm the only one

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Your arguments are filled with conjecture that you pass off as fact, which you then attempt to crawfish away from when you're called out on your bullshite.

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Just agree or disagree with people. You don't have to turn every post into a corrected essay test.

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Do you honestly believe that's true? That no one else is at fault? No one else disagrees in ways that are not conducive to a positive conversation?

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i have honestly never seen anyone else breakdown every line of someones response and give a debate based on one line at a time. it can turn a simple argument into this overtly complex thesis.

then in turn the person responding has to either take apart each single line you quoted to just have to ignore their initial argument. the debate instantly breaks down at that point. it becomes a chore to respond.

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Do you really think the logistic structure of our argument is why it went the way it did? If so, that's a valid assessment, except that isn't the main point of what FK is saying.

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I doubt that I am the only person like this.

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You're not alone. This goes back to Stan Lee intertwining all of his books in the early 60's and luring the readers into buying more books instead of just the one or two that they really liked.

I DVR'd SHEILD through the worst parts, just in case they tied into a movie or brought in a new superhero. But I only watched the episodes that got rave reviews.

The only time that I got the feeling that Marvel had taken advantage of the situation was their putting the "true story of the Mandarin" as a DVD extra on a Thor disc. They not only expect you to watch every movie and TV show to get the full story, they also expect you to buy every DVD and watch the extras. I thought that was a bit much.

The crossover stuff in the movies is less of a chore than it was in the comics. In the 60's it separated a lot of DC and Marvel readers because the people that liked stand-alone books were DC readers and the ones that liked ongoing stories read Marvel. But it's a lot easier to see a couple of Marvel movies each Summer than it is to buy every Marvel title from the spinner racks.

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You're not alone. This goes back to Stan Lee intertwining all of his books in the early 60's and luring the readers into buying more books instead of just the one or two that they really liked.

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And this became the worst part of comic books later on. 4 Spider-Man titles to read just to keep up with the character? Not to mention is appearances in event books, Avengers, Fantastic Four and the like. It's certainly cool, but there is a breaking point of ease of keeping up.