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re: Israel supporters - Do you support ethno-nationalism for everybody?

Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:51 pm to
I'm waiting on some really good North Korea threads courtesy of joshnorris, according to him

violating property rights
murder

are pretty high on the list, I bet he has kim jong un target sheets at the range
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45194 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:53 pm to
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are pretty high on the list, I bet he has kim jong un target sheets at the range


Is there anyone on this board who justifies Kim Jong Un's murders?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45194 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:54 pm to
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And kidnapping people isn't violating their property rights? Firing endless rockets into Southern Israel isn't violating property rights?


And again, where have I said that these actions are okay? Where have I defended Hamas?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45194 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:54 pm to
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I've traveled to places you claim to know so much about
I'm older than you
I'm more educated than you

Your view of the world is the Internet and the garbage that you and other new to college boneheads discuss amongst yourselves

By virtue of my affliction alone, I see the world so much clearer than you are even capable of



In other words, the answer to my question was "Nope, heads still way up there"
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:05 pm to
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Where have I defended Hamas


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Yes, but their parents can stop allowing Hamas to fire missiles from their children's schools. Their parents can stop supporting Hamas financially. Their parents can stop condoning Hamas's actions. Yes, it is awful that children are dying, but Hamas is to blame for using them as human shields.



Try to look at it from a different perspective. Who is killing their children and who is fighting the people that are killing their children

A pretty clear defense.

Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:09 pm to
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My problem is with anyone who violates another persons property rights.


Rights as designated by the local government? I ask because the Palestinian Authority has made selling land to foreigners (chiefly Israelis) a crime punishable by death. Is that the sort of right you don't want violated?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421355 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:11 pm to
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My problem is with anyone who violates another persons property rights.

your property "Rights" only extend as far as you can protect your property, though

this scenario unfolding before our eyes should re-teach us all that lesson
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45194 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:13 pm to
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your property "Rights" only extend as far as you can protect your property, though


That's not true, it would be more accurate to say "you can only exert your property rights as far as you can protect your property."

And again, it's assigning moral blame to the violators not saying that it can't happen, because property rights.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126940 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:14 pm to
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I just had lunch with a jew, my favorite economists are all jews (some of them were even expelled from Germany by the Nazis), I even got a tattoo that was popularized by a jew.

Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45194 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

Rights as designated by the local government?


No, rights as logically constructed by acting beings due to conditions of scarcity and their ability to acquire property.

quote:

I ask because the Palestinian Authority has made selling land to foreigners (chiefly Israelis) a crime punishable by death. Is that the sort of right you don't want violated?


When you ask me a question about a government enacting a conscription and if I support the conscription the answer will always be no. Hamas is a government, Hamas, as a government, is a grotesque form of evil.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:15 pm to
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Rights as designated by the local government? I ask because the Palestinian Authority has made selling land to foreigners (chiefly Israelis) a crime punishable by death. Is that the sort of right you don't want violated?

no see, he's now backtracked into what is being justified and defended on the Poli board, so he doesn't care...even though 90,000,000 anti Israel threads have been started today.

joshnorris is the voice for those who can't speak for themselves
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:15 pm to
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it's assigning moral blame to the violators

and i don't think this applies

and this is why i always argue with you ancaps

unless you're Ghengis Khan, there is always going to be somebody stronger and better at fighting than you

or in other words, individually, there is no morality in this regard.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55438 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:16 pm to
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unless you're Ghengis Khan, there is always going to be somebody stronger and better at fighting than you


This why I build a defensible mountain holler in a community of ancaps.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45194 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:17 pm to
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or in other words, individually, there is no morality in this regard.


I'm not sure how you derive that statement from your previous statement.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:17 pm to
No SFP, joshnorris knows all.

He is a well educated, well traveled man of many accomplishments and areas of expertise including jew tats
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45194 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:18 pm to
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no see, he's now backtracked


Where have I backtracked?

You're the one who said I defended Hamas's actions, and when I took you up on your offer to go through my post history to prove that claim you still haven't done so.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
421355 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:19 pm to
speaking of, i listened to something last week about the distinction b/w "city" people and "hill" people

you hill people and your strange independence
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:19 pm to
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I've traveled to places you claim to know so much about
I'm older than you
I'm more educated than you

Your view of the world is the Internet and the garbage that you and other new to college boneheads discuss amongst yourselves

By virtue of my affliction alone, I see the world so much clearer than you are even capable of

You sure do have a high opinion of yourself, and my past experience with folks as self-important as you are leads me to conclude that you're probably just a delusional fool.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421355 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:19 pm to
morality is a construct of groups of people, not individuals

power in terms of individual-individual is not moral

it only becomes an issues of morality when examined from within their groupings of population
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55438 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 3:20 pm to
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you hill people and your strange independence


I like to attribute it to my constantly oppressed Celtic ancestors.
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