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re: Border Patrol fired on from Mexico by .50 cal.weapon.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:44 pm to LongueCarabine
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:44 pm to LongueCarabine
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The morons will tell you they aren't coming here for bennies, that they can't get them. bullshite.
That's not even considering the fact they clog up ER's all over and get free healthcare.
Actually you and the other "there after welfare" people would be the idiots. They aren't eligible for any means tested welfare benefit including SNAP. Yes they do put a strain on ERs but they don't come for the possibility of getting injured or sick and needing to go to an ER.
Further, all studies have shown that illegal immigration rises and falls with the American Economy and not with welfare benefits. Immigration actually went up when welfare benefits decreased (2001ish to 2008 - housing boom) and fell when they rose (after the crash).
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:47 pm to cwill
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Actually you and the other "there after welfare" people would be the idiots. They aren't eligible for any means tested welfare benefit including SNAP. Yes they do put a strain on ERs but they don't come for the possibility of getting injured or sick and needing to go to an ER.
The fact that they aren't eligible does not mean they aren't collecting. Their (non-native) kids aren't "eligible" for public school, but no public school is allowed to ask a kid to prove citizenship to enroll.
From Minnesota's SNAP page:
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Are immigrants eligible for SNAP? Depending on your immigrant status, you may be eligible for SNAP. .If you do not qualify for federally funded SNAP and if you are age 50 or older, you may qualify for the Minnesota Food Assistance Program.
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Some immigrants are eligible for SNAP regardless of citizenship. If you receive SNAP, you are not considered a public charge under immigration laws.
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The county office by law can not report any illegal immigrant status to USCIS (the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services).
LINK
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:48 pm to cwill
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Further, all studies have shown that illegal immigration rises and falls with the American Economy and not with welfare benefits. Immigration actually went up when welfare benefits decreased (2001ish to 2008 - housing boom) and fell when they rose (after the crash).
Sure there's a correspondence between immigration and economic opportunity. That doesn't mean there's not a correlation between immigration and border enforcement and immigration and benefits.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:48 pm to antibarner
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Border Patrol fired on from Mexico by .50 cal.weapon.
How is this news?
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How much longer are we going to put up with this armed invasion?
Its not really an invasion if they are firing from Mexico.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:51 pm to cwill
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Actually you're very wrong.
actually you're the one who's very wrong. sure the struggle over power creates strife and refuges, that would be the case no matter, but the drug production and trafficking violence has been ongoing for decades, it's not a new phenomena, unlike this wave of of illegals, this is the product of a calculated effort by our own govt to bring these people here. It's a laughable misconception on your part to say it's all because of "extreme drug violence".
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:54 pm to the808bass
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mmigration and benefits.
Despite evidence to the contrary?
And border enforcement is high relative to the past. In fact the current wave are turning themselves in under the mistaken belief they can stay. So this isn't even a not enough agents issue. If you put the national guard on the border, a man every 20', the outcome would be the same as now due to bipartisan laws passed in 1996, 2000 and 2008.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:55 pm to cwill
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The Drug War doesn't have everything to do with these migrations but it is very important.
What flavor is your kool aid?
Guatemala is the same as it's been since I started going there annually since 2009. It's been a violent country for quite some time. More violent from the late 60s til the 90s actually. They had a civil war then.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:56 pm to cwill
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In fact the current wave are turning themselves in under the mistaken belief they can stay
Lol. They will be staying.
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And border enforcement is high relative to the past.
No, it's not.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:57 pm to the808bass
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They will be staying.
Do you know something we don't? You know how all the judges will rule? You've already demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of the situation so I doubt you have any support for that opinion either.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:58 pm to the808bass
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And border enforcement is high relative to the past.
No, it's not.
It is, but it is irrelevant.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:00 pm to cwill
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Do you know something we don't?
I know something you're wilfully avoiding. And that's why they were encouraged to come and why Mexico is facilitating their entrance.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:00 pm to cwill
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It is, but it is irrelevant.
It isn't and it's relevant.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:03 pm to the808bass
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I know something you're wilfully avoiding. And that's why they were encouraged to come and why Mexico is facilitating their entrance.
Please explain...tell me how they were encouraged.
And yes, Mexico's historically lax enforcement of any law and the rape and theft of illegals from CA do not represent a barrier to reaching the US border.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:11 pm to cwill
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Please explain...tell me how they were encouraged.
In the past, has Mexico generally had a lax border policy with Guatemala?
Does Mexico currently allow Guatemalans to pass through Mexico to illegally immigrate to the US?
Those should be fairly easy to answer.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:17 pm to the808bass
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In the past, has Mexico generally had a lax border policy with Guatemala?
Does Mexico currently allow Guatemalans to pass through Mexico to illegally immigrate to the US?
Those should be fairly easy to answer.
I agree that Mexican laws are no barrier to access to the US border.
Can you factually address anything you've stated or back up any of your claims that the CA folks are being encouraged to come here? Explain why immigration is negligible from other CA countries just as poor as the ones sending folks currently? Do you know what our current immigration laws are relative to minors from non-border countries?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:20 pm to cwill
You didn't answer the first question which was actually kinda important.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:23 pm to the808bass
You've answered no questions and in previous posts you've shown that you don't know what you're talking about. You're unaware of the current state of the law, enforcement or drivers of immigration. Par for the board, you should fit in nicely.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:24 pm to the808bass
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The fact that they aren't eligible does not mean they aren't collecting. Their (non-native) kids aren't "eligible" for public school, but no public school is allowed to ask a kid to prove citizenship to enroll.
Not only are they entitled, but it is very much encouraged in border towns. The schools that are on the border where I am consist of somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% Mexican nationals, possibly more.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:26 pm to cwill
You didn't answer the first question I posed to you. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that. I'll help you out.
On it's southern border, Mexico has quite the border defense. They have fences, barbed wire and armed patrols. In the past they have been very strict about not allowing in Guatemalans, even as refugees (see the aforementioned civil war in Guatemala). Now, they are facilitating the safe passage of Guatemalans. So, at the very least, that has changed and is a key part of the change in influx of illegals to the US.
On it's southern border, Mexico has quite the border defense. They have fences, barbed wire and armed patrols. In the past they have been very strict about not allowing in Guatemalans, even as refugees (see the aforementioned civil war in Guatemala). Now, they are facilitating the safe passage of Guatemalans. So, at the very least, that has changed and is a key part of the change in influx of illegals to the US.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:26 pm to upgrayedd
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The schools that are on the border where I am consist of somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% Mexican nationals, possibly more.
A lot of kids along the border cross for school during the day and go home in the evening. This has long been the case.
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