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Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:57 am to StraightCashHomey21
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VICE interview with the burned alive kids father.
The extremist on both sides have frick this up. Hamas kidnaps 3 Israeli teens and kills them. Israel in response demolishes their homes which is a just response. Extreme right with Jews kidnap and burn alive a Palestinian kid and shite kicks off and we are now here.
VICE interview with the burned alive kids father.
The extremist on both sides have frick this up. Hamas kidnaps 3 Israeli teens and kills them. Israel in response demolishes their homes which is a just response. Extreme right with Jews kidnap and burn alive a Palestinian kid and shite kicks off and we are now here.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:05 am to StraightCashHomey21
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There are extremist on both sides but to some Israel does no wrong.
True, just as to some Israel is committing crimes against humanity just by existing
Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:29 am to NC_Tigah
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Tariq Abu Khdeir, the kid they beat up, had reason to be enraged. His cousin had been horribly murdered by three pieces of detritus who happened to be Jews. (They were enraged in turn because presumable Hamas murdered three Jewish teens.) So had Tariq done something stupid in response and based on teenage emotion, one could understand, even sympathize.
However, Tariq claims he had no role in subsequent protests related to his cousin's funeral. Claims he was innocent as the driven snow. The problem is that in the extremely brief snippet of video showing nothing whatsoever of activity leading up to the police action, Tariq is wearing a black hood/mask. Why would that be?
if a military dictatorship, or those civilians who support it, killed your family member - you too might take to the street and riot, be you a teenager or a 45yo man.
The issue is not whether Tariq was throwing rocks, which btw is not a wrong thing to do, the issue is what occurred AFTER his arrest, the way over-the-top brutality - which thank god was captured on video through the window otherwise the zionist goons would have completely denied it.
or maybe some of you think the police brutality was justified, as i believe many do.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 9:30 am
Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:50 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Hamas kidnaps 3 Israeli teens and kills them.
I doubt very seriously that Hamas ordered this, or Fatah either for that matter.
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Israel in response demolishes their homes which is a just response.
Do you really believe that it's okay to demolish the homes of relatives of suspects who haven't even been convicted?
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Extreme right with Jews kidnap and burn alive a Palestinian kid and shite kicks off and we are now here.
Do you think the IDF should have also demolished the homes of their families? Would you support such a policy of home demolitions in the U.S., in which the homes of the relatives of suspected criminals could be demolished based on mere suspicion?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:12 am to trackfan
Homes of suspects or convicted persons should never be demolished. The home is not a guilty person, neither are the innocents who live there. Where are the children, mom, and grandma supposed to go???
Also, the cruel and sadistic Israelis will demolish the entire 7 story apartment building because ONE suspect lived there.. meaning dozens of families - COMPLETELY innocent are homeless and have lost all their furniture and belongings. This is a crime against humanity but people don't care because the victioms are the hated Arabs adn the Jews are doing it.
Also, the cruel and sadistic Israelis will demolish the entire 7 story apartment building because ONE suspect lived there.. meaning dozens of families - COMPLETELY innocent are homeless and have lost all their furniture and belongings. This is a crime against humanity but people don't care because the victioms are the hated Arabs adn the Jews are doing it.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:16 am to trackfan
quote:What was Hamas aiming at with their rockets and missiles that were intercepted by the Iron Dome? Could they have guaranteed that no homes or innocents would be demolished and killed?
Do you think the IDF should have also demolished the homes of their families? Would you support such a policy of home demolitions in the U.S., in which the homes of the relatives of suspected criminals could be demolished based on mere suspicion?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:20 am to Diamondawg
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What was Hamas aiming at with their rockets and missiles that were intercepted by the Iron Dome? Could they have guaranteed that no homes or innocents would be demolished and killed?
so are you equating Israel with Hamas?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:21 am to trackfan
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I doubt very seriously that Hamas ordered this, or Fatah either for that matter.
If Israel's government is responsible for Israeli actions, Hamas can let the buck stop at them for the actions of its people. Additionally, Hamas and Fatah leaders have vocally been supportive of the kidnappings and have encouraged more. When people celebrate in the street the kidnappings, your comments are unconvincing.
Anyone translate the text in red in the top right?
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 10:25 am
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:23 am to rtts48
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so are you equating Israel with Hamas?
Can't answer the question? It was pretty simple. In the West, we advance the conversation if we want to continue it.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:24 am to rtts48
quote:No - one is a terrorist organization. The other is defending itself from one.
so are you equating Israel with Hamas?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:32 am to Diamondawg
demolishing a home is an act of terrorism against innocent civilians, an act of war by the rival ethnic group. So, the Jews are guilty.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:33 am to the808bass
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Can't answer the question? It was pretty simple. In the West, we advance the conversation if we want to continue it.
your question was non-sequitor as the topic was the demolition of homes or even entire apartment buildings by the IDF.
so it was you who were evasive.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 10:38 am to rtts48
No. The question simply highlighted the double standard you are using. If the Israelis are bastards for knocking down an apartment building of innocents, Hamas are bastards for lobbing missiles at innocents.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:00 am to Diamondawg
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What was Hamas aiming at with their rockets and missiles that were intercepted by the Iron Dome? Could they have guaranteed that no homes or innocents would be demolished and killed?
Why don't you answer my questions first rather than change the subject?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:05 am to the808bass
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If Israel's government is responsible for Israeli actions, Hamas can let the buck stop at them for the actions of its people. Additionally, Hamas and Fatah leaders have vocally been supportive of the kidnappings and have encouraged more. When people celebrate in the street the kidnappings, your comments are unconvincing.
I agree that Hamas should be held responsible for the actions of its members, but I don't think they had anything to do with it based on their typical modus operandi of boasting of their deeds, and the fact that the killings took place in the West Bank, not Gaza. Both Hamas and Fatah are unequivocal in their contempt for settlers, and who can blame them? However, I will say that I view the kids of settlers different than I view the parents of settlers who chose to put their kids in a dangerous situation.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:08 am to Diamondawg
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No - one is a terrorist organization. The other is defending itself from one.
If the IDF is not a terrorist organization, the word "terrorist" has no meaning.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:12 am to trackfan
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I agree that Hamas should be held responsible for the actions of its members, but I don't think they had anything to do with it based on their typical modus operandi of boasting of their deeds
So Hamas leaders calling it a heroic action doesn't sway your opinion there?
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:16 am to the808bass
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So Hamas leaders calling it a heroic action doesn't sway your opinion there?
Schadenfreude is not the same as claiming responsibility.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:17 am to trackfan
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However, I will say that I view the kids of settlers different than I view the parents of settlers who chose to put their kids in a dangerous situation.
And by "dangerous situation" you mean a situation where some Muslims will indiscriminately kill women and children because of an ideological conflict, sometimes with bare hands or knives up close, sometimes with rockets from afar. Yes. It is dangerous.
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