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I find it really annoying that more people (comic book writers as well as fans) don't automatically understand the Sun's environment to be a more punishing location than the center of a nuclear blast.
I thought the same thing. The power of the sun is is definitely stronger than a nuclear blast.


Methuselah
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I think most comic match ups of the Hulk and Superman will be either a Superman victory or a draw.

My reasoning is that Superman is (or at least is widely considered to be) the first superhero and he has remained popular up to the present. This affords him a lot of respect from writers and editors. And even though I've always been a Marvel fan I can understand this dynamic.

With reference to the Marvel/DC match up, I think that was either the Merged or Professor version of the Hulk. And I could be wrong but I think the anger/power reflex of those versions were muted. I mean, for pete's sake, the guy wore a tank top. That alone should have disqualified him. Plus of course that was a fan vote and the fans also voted Wolverine to victory over Lobo. So I don't know how much stock you can put in that particular storyline.


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MrFreakinMiyagi
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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Second, the "influence" of the rod, denoted by the perspective shift in the shot, and the active use of the Rod by Loki to literally take control of someone are two completely different things. Again, camerawork and effects tell you this.

I understand they are different things. That being said, you're contradicting earlier posts.
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First, they make the case that Banner is the ONLY one with the knowledge to track the tesseract, so the risk is worth it and they mention this. Second, they don't know the rules of the rod. Banner explicitly states at one point in the film that he's in control. That he's at peace, he says, "I wouldn't be here unless I was." Everyone is very clear about the danger he can pose, and Banner would not have said yes if he wasn't in control.

I am not talking about when they initially brought him on.

I am talking about the final battle against the guy with the rod that caused him to frick up all the good guys. Why would they want him there, and why would he think that it is a good idea?

And why do you keep ignoring this point?


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I know right? I mean I'm not crazy,

Nobody's calling you crazy
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I don't want to be in this bickering thing, but sometimes lack of reasoning just bothers me.

Try being more reasonable?


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Freauxzen
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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I understand they are different things. That being said, you're contradicting earlier posts.


Where?

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I am talking about the final battle against the guy with the rod that caused him to frick up all the good guys. Why would they want him there, and why would he think that it is a good idea?


What final battle when they mess up all the good guys?

In NYC?
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And why do you keep ignoring this point?


Because you haven't really explained it.


MrFreakinMiyagi
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Where?

You said something about the rod not being able to mess with them anymore, since they became aware of it (an assumption, BTW), unless someone was in control of the rod.
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What final battle when they mess up all the good guys?


Let me lay this out for you in a nice, easy to read timeline..... Again

They are weary about bringing Banner on, for obvious reasons, but they need his expertise, so they do so.

Their concerns come to fruition when he almost kills them all on the ship, because of the rod.

Yet still... Banner and the rest of the good guys all think it's a good idea for him to join the final fight...... Against the guy with the rod that brought out the "bad" Hulk.

Why would they think it is a good idea to bring him on for the final fight?


MrFreakinMiyagi
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Dp
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Freauxzen
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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I am talking about the final battle against the guy with the rod that caused him to frick up all the good guys. Why would they want him there, and why would he think that it is a good idea?


Yeah this is completely unclear since the final battle is more with the Chitauri forces than it is with Loki. It's not a battle with the guy with the rod.



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You said something about the rod not being able to mess with them anymore, since they became aware of it (an assumption, BTW), unless someone was in control of the rod.


I also said yeah the movie did do a bad job of communicating it. That doesn't make it convenient you just had to pay attention.

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They are weary about bringing Banner on, for obvious reasons, but they need his expertise, so they do so.

Their concerns come to fruition when he almost kills them all on the ship, because of the rod.

Yet still... Banner and the rest of the good guys all think it's a good idea for him to join the final fight...... Against the guy with the rod that brought out the "bad" Hulk.

Why would they think it is a good idea to bring him on for the final fight?


Well 1) Cap tells Hulk to smash, specifically not to go after the rod or Loki. 2) Hulk is in control, sure there's no dialog denoting it, but Banner gives a smirk and changes on purpose. There's a difference, always has been, with Hulk. Banner controlling Hulk means he won't just randomly smash stuff. And the Rod is nowhere near him when he changes in the end.

Again, using the film's information, when Banner changes on the Helicarrier he starts pounding the ground trying to stop it. He's yelling and struggling. He clearly doesn't want to change, he's trying to keep Hulk in. While in the streets, he smirks turns very deliberately and punches the giant beast. This is to show the audience the two sides of Banners character 1) When he isn't in control 2) When he is.

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Ok are you just unhappy they didn't address it in dialog. Like something earlier in the film:

Banner: Yeah don't worry about the other guy, I'm in control. As long as I control when Hulk comes out, I'll be ok.

Or later in the film in NYC:
Cap: Are you serious Banner, you just tried to kill us all.
Banner: I'm.....sorry?
Stark: Sorry doesn't cut it.
Banner: You know that thing did something to all of us.
Cap: But none of us can topple a building.
Thor: Well, I can.
Stark: Just make sure it isn't one I own.
Cap: Anyway, Banner, I think it'd be best if you go.
Banner: I can help and honestly, we know what that thing can do. Unless Loki quiets me down to touch my chest slowly, which won't happen, or I'm around the rod too long as Banner, I'll be fine. It won't get to me.
Cap: If it does, just make sure to smash them.

Blah Blah.
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TigerMyth36
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re: Hulk from Avengers
You guys still at it.

How about....

The movie was flawed but still fun.

How about...

Superman could toss Hulk into the sun but since as we all know, Super Heroes don't stay dead, Hulk does Mutate while in the Sun and Superman learns the hard way that a sun mutated hulk is far worse than the good old non-sun mutated sob.

/thread


Freauxzen
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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You guys still at it.

How about....

The movie was flawed but still fun.

How about...

Superman could toss Hulk into the sun but since as we all know, Super Heroes don't stay dead, Hulk does Mutate while in the Sun and Superman learns the hard way that a sun mutated hulk is far worse than the good old non-sun mutated sob.

/thread


I wouldn't disagree.

Hey, at least we're focusing on film elements, shots, dialog, narrative...

*looksups*

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CGSC Lobotomy
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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Please no. I can do without She-Hulk.


Jen Walters is not a bad character. Unlike her cousin, she PREFERS her Hulk form. Now I agree that they would have to tone down her tendency to be a complete slut.


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biglego
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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FWIW, I find it really annoying that more people (comic book writers as well as fans) don't automatically understand the Sun's environment to be a more punishing location than the center of a nuclear blast. Do people really not understand the scale and power of a star compared to a relatively confined explosion?

This is what I was trying to say. Its hard to even comprehend the power of a star. Its a nuclear bomb thousands of times bigger than the earth. Even a comic hero should die in the frickin sun and I don't see a reason superman couldn't get the hulk there. Once hulk is pushed towards the sun even if it takes a long time he will end up there. It'd only take one good push.


TigerMyth36
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And you continue.

Once again, since hulk hasn't been hurt by a nuclear explosion then it is POSSIBLE in the comic realm he just like Superman could survive the sun.
You and I don't know. Any writer could make it so.

Also, in the comics in the last 20 years, they have pretty much given almost everyone GOD powers from time to time. No reason to believe a writer wouldn't have Hulk mutate in the Sun into something far worse.

You also CONTINUE to gloss over the FACT that Superman would not even try to hurl Hulk into the Sun. Superman DOES NOT KILL.

Even if Hulk was just Hulk, he wouldn't do it. The fact that innocent Banner is part of Hulk 100% precludes Superman from doing the Sun bit.





SSpaniel
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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Superman DOES NOT KILL


General Zod says Howdy.
(sorry... couldn't resist. Probably should have.)


TigerMyth36
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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(sorry... couldn't resist. Probably should have.)
We definitely don't need another MOS thread.


SSpaniel
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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We definitely don't need another MOS thread




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MrFreakinMiyagi
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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I also said yeah the movie did do a bad job of communicating it. That doesn't make it convenient you just had to pay attention.

You keep saying this as if I missed the scene with the rod on the ship, or didn't pick up on them acting differently.

We can agree to disagree that they took some conveniences.


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MrFreakinMiyagi
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We definitely don't need another MOS thread.

Avengers threads are MoS threads.
Duh


TigerMyth36
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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Avengers threads are MoS threads.
Duh
Which become Marvel vs DC threads
Derp.

Infinite loop.


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biglego
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re: Hulk from Avengers
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And you continue.

And you are still indignant about a message board debate about an imaginary between imaginary characters. You're right, all threads on this board should end with one post that says "we don't know bc this is all fiction."

Now carry on with your very important day.

But real quick:

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You also CONTINUE to gloss over the FACT that Superman would not even try to hurl Hulk into the Sun. Superman DOES NOT KILL.

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You and I don't know. Any writer could make it so


As the MOS writer did.


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