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re: Biggest Rock and Roll Hall of Fame snubs
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:18 pm to McGregor
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Meters
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:25 pm to CaptainPanic
I'll just quote my post from the previous thread on the subject of the Beasties and rap artists:
Oh, and I will agree prog is under-represented, so I'm fine with Yes making it. Yes and Beastie boy fans should be allies, railing against cramming in more arena rock bands from the 70s. It's the pitting of subgenres against each other as if they aren't fully rock which allows for such safe, crappy choices which fail to tell the story of rock n roll.
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To those criticizing rap and disco/dance getting in: You're wrong. Look at the very first people inducted. Here's the first class:
Buddy Holly
Chuck Berry
Elvis Presley
The Everly Brothers
Fats Domino -- not rock
James Brown -- not rock
Jerry Lee Lewis
Little Richard
Ray Charles -- not rock
Sam Cooke -- not rock
Alan Freed
Sam Phillips
John Hammond
Jimmie Rodgers
Jimmy Yancey
Robert Johnson -- not rock
OK, I'll give em a pass on Robert Johnson as a "foundation" artist, but Ray Charles? I love Ray Charles, but he's not a rock artist. Neither is James Brown, the Godfather of Soul.
The Hall then inducted Hank Williams (country), Smokey Robinson (Motown), BB King (blues), Aretha Franklin (soul), Lead Belly (folk), Johnny Cash (country), the Supremes (girl group), Ricky Nelson (pop rock), Marvin Gaye (Motown) all in the first five years of existence (and whole heck of a lot more non-rock acts). The RnR HOF has honored non rock acts FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. To then turn around and say disco and hip hop don't make the cut is slicing the bread pretty thin. That horse is out of the barn. The rock Hall has never excluded non-rock acts. NEVER.
What gets me is that the Hall is honoring second tier older acts now. People are suggesting Mountain and Uriah Heep? Really? OK, I can see the case for Yes, mainly because prog is horribly under-represented, but know what's really under-represented more than any genre? Rock n roll than anyone under the age of 40 listened to. The Hall has completely whitewashed away the 80s rock scene, mainly because it didn't happen on major labels.
OK, I'll spot them hair metal. They should probably throw them a sop as well (come on in, Def Leppard!). But not having the trio of Sonic Youth, the Replacements, and the Pixies just demonstrates how out of touch the museum is. How do you write the history of rock without these bands? This isn't a second tier act like Heart (who I like), but these were the giants of their era. They defined 80s music (as did Duran Duran and INXS, also not in). It's just that they have no idea what pop music was after 1977.
The HOF is a museum to the Baby Boomers. I'm not interested.
Oh, and I will agree prog is under-represented, so I'm fine with Yes making it. Yes and Beastie boy fans should be allies, railing against cramming in more arena rock bands from the 70s. It's the pitting of subgenres against each other as if they aren't fully rock which allows for such safe, crappy choices which fail to tell the story of rock n roll.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:28 pm to Baloo
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:39 pm to CaptainPanic
"second tier act like Heart"
"INXS
Duran Duran
Depeche Mode"
"INXS
Duran Duran
Depeche Mode"
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:40 pm to Baloo
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Sonic Youth, the Replacements, and the Pixies
The Replacements are nowhere near the level of the other two
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:51 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
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The Replacements are nowhere near the level of the other two
Paul Westerberg is a better songwriter than anyone in the Pixies or Sonic Youth. And I say this as someone whose standard password includes a Sonic Youth reference.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 1:00 pm to Govt Tide
Not really a snub, since he died long ago and the ABB are in, but Duane really should be inducted by himself for his studio contributions.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 1:02 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
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The Replacements are nowhere near the level of the other two
True. I know the Mats are so much better and in such a league of their own, but I was thinking of other contemporary acts who weren't quite as good/influential to put in with them. The Mats have no contemporaries, it is true.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 1:12 pm to Govt Tide
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Someone questioned Heart being in which is ridiculous considering they're probably the greatest female rock group of all time.
They don't deserve it on the basis of These Dreams alone
Posted on 7/15/14 at 4:24 pm to Govt Tide
Deep Purple won't get in until more of its members pass away. There is no agreement as to who are the members of Deep Purple that should be inducted.
The band that I don't think anyone has mentioned who deserves induction is Grand Funk Railroad. They were the most popular music act in the United States during the early 1970's. They had huge album sales and played sold out concerts everywhere. There weren't too many teenagers at the time who didn't know who Mark, Don and Mel were. They have a much better resume than Cheap Trick or Guns N Roses.
The band that I don't think anyone has mentioned who deserves induction is Grand Funk Railroad. They were the most popular music act in the United States during the early 1970's. They had huge album sales and played sold out concerts everywhere. There weren't too many teenagers at the time who didn't know who Mark, Don and Mel were. They have a much better resume than Cheap Trick or Guns N Roses.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 4:59 pm to Baloo
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of Sonic Youth, the Replacements, and the Pixies
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the giants of their era. They defined 80s music
I actually lived through the eighties, and to my knowledge, have never heard either the Pixies or Sonic Youth.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:04 pm to Govt Tide
The Cars
INXS
Depeche Mode
INXS
Depeche Mode
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:36 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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I actually existed through the eighties, and to my knowledge, have never heard either the Pixies or Sonic Youth.
Fify
If you haven't heard the Pixies, you haven't lived.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:41 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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If you haven't heard the Pixies, you haven't lived.
Apparently, I have been dead for 52 years. Probably voting Democrat all the while
Posted on 7/15/14 at 6:28 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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I actually lived through the eighties, and to my knowledge, have never heard either the Pixies or Sonic Youth.
That's an indictment of your tastes, not their influence
Posted on 7/15/14 at 6:36 pm to REG861
Although The Meters not being in the RHOF sucks, I treat the RHOF like the Grammys...none of them matter.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:10 pm to Govt Tide
Although I wouldn't call it a snub, Glen Campbell should be in the HOF. Played with The Champs, The Beach Boys, was a member of The Wrecking Crew and had his own long-running career. And was an outstanding guitarist and musician, in general; a true multi-instrumentalist.
Jim Croce should be considered for the HOF.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:36 pm to Mizz-SEC
The Pixies
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Deep Purple
The Cure
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Deep Purple
The Cure
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:56 pm to REG861
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That's an indictment of your tastes, not their influence
Yeah, I was busy listening to the Clash, the Jam...trash like that
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