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Posted on 7/13/14 at 4:55 pm to Napoleon
If I have people following me, the last thing I'm going to do is let them follow me home.
I'd keep driving around and call 911 if they persist in following me.
LC
I'd keep driving around and call 911 if they persist in following me.
LC
Posted on 7/13/14 at 4:59 pm to LongueCarabine
That is the smart play. Unfortunately a lot of people don't think about this situation and won't think about it when it happens. I'd roll right up to a police station if I could.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 5:04 pm to Napoleon
quote:
Just IMO if someone follows you to your house, that is a threat. And if he really was verbally threatened on top of that?
I would certainly feel threatened...not sure if that allows you to use deadly force, though...
seems like there are really two different levels of threat required to justify brandishing versus using a gun...
Posted on 7/13/14 at 5:06 pm to jmarto1
quote:
t happens. I'd roll right up to a police station if I could.
Same.
let the police handle it.
He thought he lost them, but he should have just went somewhere else (my house even) then went home.
Instead they were looking for him, and found his house.
I really feel they will do something.
Because if it was all kids/chicks, then why even follow? Unless it was to mess with him later.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 5:19 pm to 4LSU2
quote:He was in his vehicle so the concealed weapon thing is not in play.
For a person carrying a concealed weapon, the only allowable time to use your concealed weapon is when your life or someone else's life around you is in immediate danger.
The other part you said is true...of using a weapon in any case (in Louisiana at least).
Posted on 7/13/14 at 5:24 pm to dat yat
quote:I agree cause if pull one and the other guy has one, it's likely coming out so you know what happens next.
it's not a good idea to pull a weapon until you're really fixing to use it.
If someone ever pulls one on me and makes any motion I feel could be "pointing" I'm not going to wait til I hear a shot. We can sort that out later.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 5:33 pm to Napoleon
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I would have drove to the police station or to a public place or something.
This. It's best to avoid a situation entirely. No reason to act a badass and end up ruining your life and/or someone else's. The two times I brandished mine, there was no avoiding and they were the aggressors. The last one was in north Arkansas. My wife and a quite attractive friend of hers had to make an emergency restroom stop. Place looked OK, but there were quit a few Mexicans hanging out. They started eyeballing the girls and not in a good way. Several then positioned themselves around my truck and were talking and signaling each other as the girls were about to come out. There were 8 all together. And two were staring me down. Until I put the laser on my glock between one of their eyes. My wife saw from inside and pulled hers. Apparently, they understand Glock and Kahr if not English, cause they got the frick out in a hasty manner. I have no doubt SOMETHING was about to happen.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 6:01 pm to SmackoverHawg
1. Brandishing (called "illegal carry" in Louisiana statutes) is illegal. Drawing a handgun in self defense isn't brandishing.
2. As was said, driving to your home after a confrontation isn't wise. Drive to a police station.
3. ALWAYS phone in a threat to the cops -- unless you're the one who did something stupid to instigate it. The failure to phone in the incident makes me doubt the story told by the OP's buddy.
4. In Louisiana you're allowed to use deadly force when "in reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm." Having someone follow you doesn't necessarily rise to this level. Nor does someone yelling at you from a car.
If you shoot someone under the circumstances described, you better be able to do a good job of convincing the DA and/or a jury that the threat was sufficient to meet the legal threshold. Just being "scared" isn't how the law is worded.
5.HOWEVER, if someone tries to force their way into your car while you're in the vehicle, or illegally enter your home while you're in it, you'd be on firmer ground. But even then your use of deadly force has to be "reasonable."
2. As was said, driving to your home after a confrontation isn't wise. Drive to a police station.
3. ALWAYS phone in a threat to the cops -- unless you're the one who did something stupid to instigate it. The failure to phone in the incident makes me doubt the story told by the OP's buddy.
4. In Louisiana you're allowed to use deadly force when "in reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm." Having someone follow you doesn't necessarily rise to this level. Nor does someone yelling at you from a car.
If you shoot someone under the circumstances described, you better be able to do a good job of convincing the DA and/or a jury that the threat was sufficient to meet the legal threshold. Just being "scared" isn't how the law is worded.
5.HOWEVER, if someone tries to force their way into your car while you're in the vehicle, or illegally enter your home while you're in it, you'd be on firmer ground. But even then your use of deadly force has to be "reasonable."
Posted on 7/13/14 at 6:01 pm to SmackoverHawg
I guarantee that those kids could have pulled out a gun and blasted his arse away as soon as your friend pointed a gun at him.
If someone points runs up to my car and points a gun at me, guess what I'm going to do.
If someone points runs up to my car and points a gun at me, guess what I'm going to do.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 6:03 pm to SmackoverHawg
quote:
Until I put the laser on my glock between one of their eyes.
pretty damn strong message there....
Posted on 7/13/14 at 7:28 pm to dawg23
quote:
In Louisiana you're allowed to use deadly force when "in reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.
Well you have multiple people in multiple cars follow you home. One on one you can't pull it but I know you can when it becomes multiple attackers on one. When that happens you've taken a step up on the force ladder. I know my bag of Krav Maga tricks opens up on 2 on 1. Hell, I get a bit of a pass for being tall and skinny if the guy is much larger.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 8:26 pm to dawg23
quote:
The failure to phone in the incident makes me doubt the story told by the OP's buddy.
mistrust of police.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 8:32 pm to jmarto1
quote:
Well you have multiple people in multiple cars follow you home. One on one you can't pull it but I know you can when it becomes multiple attackers on one. When that happens you've taken a step up on the force ladder. I know my bag of Krav Maga tricks opens up on 2 on 1. Hell, I get a bit of a pass for being tall and skinny if the guy is much larger.
I'm thinking it was just some punk high school alpha and his harem. He wanted to follow my boy home and threaten him or maybe even fight. Who knows. I know it happened because many neighborhood people saw the chase.
He should have drove to the police station or just got on Interstate or something.
IDK, probably freaked when the other car jumped on him. He was shaken when I talked to him, even after the car came to his driveway.
He said he saw the other car but it didn't make the turn in after the Maxima pulled out.
Crazy to me how it escalated from talking shite on the road to a chase.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 9:24 pm to Napoleon
I think of it this way:
If my gun is coming out, someone is dying. There are no exceptions to that rule, and I don't play games.
If my gun is coming out, someone is dying. There are no exceptions to that rule, and I don't play games.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 10:28 pm to Napoleon
Sex doesn't matter. All that was there was potential attackers.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:10 am to Hammertime
quote:
If my gun is coming out, someone is dying. There are no exceptions to that rule, and I don't play games.
So if an attacker comes at you with a knife and you make a poor shot and hit him in the arm, but he drops, would you finish just him off?
You shoot to eliminate the threat. Not kill. If he happens to die because you shot him, oh well. But taking someone's life may not always be necessary.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:34 am to 650Pirate
As cruel as it sounds I was once even told by an officer in Livingston to "leave no witness" (kill an intruder). They can come back to sue you and in some cases, the injured robber wins the lawsuit. Even if they dont ein the litigation, you are out of thousands of dollars attempting to save your arse in court.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:39 am to ChatRabbit77
The deceased's family will probably sue if you kill too. I'm just playing devil's advocate. "No exceptions" to killing someone is a little absurd imo
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:44 am to 650Pirate
If my gun is out, it is either me or them. No way around it and no way of avoiding it. I plan on being the one on the winning side and wouldn't give two shits about the other guy at that point.
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