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re: Second Amendment question
Posted on 7/5/14 at 9:45 pm to UGATiger26
Posted on 7/5/14 at 9:45 pm to UGATiger26
Following the OP's logic....
I want a printing press, my own religion, and my own militia all provided by the gubment.
Where philosoraptor really flips his $hit is when we ask if the government has to provide everyone their own religion, is the government establishing that religion.
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 9:47 pm to UGATiger26
Rights are intrinsic aspects of American existence protected from government intrusion. The federal government cannot, without due process, deprive one of a right.
That does NOT mean that rights allow free access to the thing in question.
That does NOT mean that rights allow free access to the thing in question.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 9:53 pm to Five0
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I want a printing press, my own religion, and my own militia all provided by the gubment.
How did you arrive at this?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 9:54 pm to Sentrius
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Constiutional Rights only limit government action. They don't entitle anyone to anything. If people could only understand this simply truth, we'd all be better off.
Those rights are saying this is what gov't can do and this is what gov't cannot do.
Post gave me wood
Posted on 7/5/14 at 9:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
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That does NOT mean that rights allow free access to the thing in question.
Yes, we have the right to purchase and keep a firearm. We do not have the right to a firearm.
That's called liberty. Which is, in a monetary sense, free.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 10:00 pm to UGATiger26
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How did you arrive at this?
From this:
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If owning a gun was truly a right, wouldn't they have to be provided free of charge to the citizenry at large?
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I'm about 4 bourbons deep, so bear with me.
I'm trying brother. I'm at two for the sake of being to understand you further.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 10:03 pm to Five0
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If owning a gun was truly a right, wouldn't they have to be provided free of charge to the citizenry at large?
I see where the confusion is coming from.
That question was posed as a devil's advocate type of question that I could possibly anticipate coming from a gun control advocate in response to how I feel about the whole contraceptive/abortifacient thing.
Trust me, I do not believe our rights are provided by the government.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 10:54 pm to UGATiger26
No, no no no....
Posted on 7/5/14 at 11:03 pm to UGATiger26
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If owning a gun was truly a right, wouldn't they have to be provided free of charge to the citizenry at large?
you clearly don't understand that a right can't be something that someone else produces with the expectation to turn a profit.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 11:10 pm to monsterballads
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you clearly don't understand
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FYI, I'm about 4 bourbons deep, so bear with me.
Lighten up Francis.
Check into this thread so we can all know if you are qualified to participate in this banter: How Druck are YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!
Posted on 7/5/14 at 11:10 pm to UGATiger26
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If owning a gun was truly a right, wouldn't they have to be provided free of charge to the citizenry at large?
No, rights limit government. The Second Amendment prevents the government from disarming citizens.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 11:11 pm to UGATiger26
Right to own doesn't mean it has to be provided free of charge.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 11:13 pm to Sentrius
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Constiutional Rights only limit government action. They don't entitle anyone to anything. If people could only understand this simply truth, we'd all be better off.
Great post.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 11:17 pm to Antonio Moss
I thought it was better when you said it
Posted on 7/6/14 at 12:12 am to monsterballads
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you clearly don't understand that a right can't be something that someone else produces with the expectation to turn a profit.
Said that in the OP, chief.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:21 am to UGATiger26
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My most succinct response to people making this argument is that abortion-inducing drugs (or any type of contraceptive/abortifacient) is not a right.
None of the drugs HL has a problem with have actually been shown to work by aborting a fertilized embryo. Even the Catholic health journal published an article stating that Plan B works exclusively by preventing ovulation.
And equal access to health care regardless of sex is a right. If the employer is covering all of the men's health care needs and not all of the women's, that's not equal access.
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 3:23 am
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:26 am to SpidermanTUba
And equal access to health insurance regardless of sex is a right.
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