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re: Why are angry liberal posters perceived differently than conservatives?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:40 pm to deltaland
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:40 pm to deltaland
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The only people who buy into that are uninformed or uneducated. The problem is liberals support big government. Big government runs education. If public education is shitty then you have more stupid people who don't know they're stupid. It's easy to seem like liberals care about them and conservatives hate them because liberals support the system that, unbeknownst to the voter, deprived them of real education.
Through infesting the public education system and through welfare liberals have managed to build a block of dependent stupid people who will believe anything they say. And a compliant media to assist them
No, this is BS. Its not about one side being smart vs the other side being stupid. We've been over this quite a few times on this board. The perception that the liberals are the parry of dummys and the conservatives are the intelligent, educated ones is totally unfounded. People can disagree on issues without their being a significant gap in intelligence. I know that may be shocking to some of you posters.
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:41 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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The perception that the liberals are the parry of dummys and the conservatives are the intelligent, educated ones is totally unfounded.
and i agree with this too, but conservatives can't perpetuate their own memes without being called racists or mean
liberals are free to create a false mythical conservative figurehead without any issues
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and i agree with this too, but conservatives can't perpetuate their own memes without being called racists or mean
liberals are free to create a false mythical conservative figurehead without any issues
Yes I agree. And I believe this all goes back to politics being a game. D v R. And right now the dems are just flat out better. Its as simple as that.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:47 pm to House_of Cards
Easy. Conservatives think libs are stupid. They don't understand the mental illness.
Libs think cons are evil and want them eliminated or shut off from their society.
Libs think cons are evil and want them eliminated or shut off from their society.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:48 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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onmymedicalgrind
It has been quite some time (over thirty years) since I graduated from a public high school so I cannot speak to the specifics of the current curriculum. Setting aside the broad narrative in the post you responded to, do you honestly believe the virtues of self reliance and responsibility are being taught in the public school system? That both forms of political thought are (roughly) equally represented?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:51 pm to ehidal1
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Libs think cons are evil and want them eliminated or shut off from their society.
i don't think conservatives are evil or stupid.
mostly.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:53 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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And right now the dems are just flat out better. Its as simple as that.
DEMs are "better", but a lot of that is based in their populism
the entire populism-based movement was based around lying to poor people to "buy" political support with promises of public riches
that's a much easier sell, first of all
secondly, when you create victim classes, which just so happen to be the target areas of state promises for political support, you already have an inherent narrative of needed protection.
it's much easier to be politically dominant when you offer an easy option (that is a lie) to populations and then create a system where criticizing bad decision makers is proper. such is life
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's based on their lack of legislating morality, or attempting to do so.
It's really that simple. Republicans fight inane social wars that conflict deeply with their economic ideology.
You would think they would let the market sort it out, in regards to abortion, contraception use, etc. nope. Broad access to something that could reduce the number of dregs in the system is wrong by Jesus.
It's really that simple. Republicans fight inane social wars that conflict deeply with their economic ideology.
You would think they would let the market sort it out, in regards to abortion, contraception use, etc. nope. Broad access to something that could reduce the number of dregs in the system is wrong by Jesus.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Well said counsel.
Honestly, the consistent narrative from the Progressive is "We are here to protect you from _______."
War on _______.
They hate _______.
The conservative response is poor (at best). Kind of hard to prove a negative.
I am not warring _______.
We do not hate _______.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:00 pm to Wolfhound45
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It has been quite some time (over thirty years) since I graduated from a public high school so I cannot speak to the specifics of the current curriculum. Setting aside the broad narrative in the post you responded to, do you honestly believe the virtues of self reliance and responsibility are being taught in the public school system? That both forms of political thought are (roughly) equally represented?
Tbh with you, and maybe I was just naive or oblivious to the fact, there was nothing "political" about the education I received. I learned math, science, english, social studies, etc etc and never felt there was a political slant. I don't think both forms of political thought are equally represented bc I don't think either really are, at least that was my take as a 14-18 year old. Politics was the furthest thing from my mind back then. I do remember in free enterprise harping on only the positives of capitalism while focusing on only the negatives of the other economic systems. Other than that, this whole "public school indoctrination into liberalism" argument people spit on here is total BS from my experience.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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DEMs are "better", but a lot of that is based in their populism
the entire populism-based movement was based around lying to poor people to "buy" political support with promises of public riches
that's a much easier sell, first of all
secondly, when you create victim classes, which just so happen to be the target areas of state promises for political support, you already have an inherent narrative of needed protection.
it's much easier to be politically dominant when you offer an easy option (that is a lie) to populations and then create a system where criticizing bad decision makers is proper. such is life
IOW, they are better at playing the game of politics.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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onmymedicalgrind
Fair enough. I do not remember a particular bent one way or another myself.
But that was a long time ago.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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IOW, they are better at playing the game of politics.
I guess when you're losing the battle of ideas it's easy to blame it on the other side being "better at playing the game" than it is admitting to yourself that your positions are not winning ones.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:06 pm to Wolfhound45
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Fair enough. I do not remember a particular bent one way or another myself.
I mean, think about it. How do you "politicize" algebra, chemistry, biology, english, etc etc etc. People who think these kids are getting subliminal messages of "you need big government" or other ideologies considered "liberal" are just buying into BS conservative memes. I am just speculating here, but there is probably more indoctrinating going on in private schools than public.
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But that was a long time ago.
Hey, you figured out how to use the internet and a keyboard, so you can't be that bad
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
What you just said is the point I was trying to make. Through big government the small portion of very intelligent liberals are controlling masses of dumb people through lies and perceived protection.
The people who buy into it don't realize that what they support is the exact thing that's holding them down.
The people who buy into it don't realize that what they support is the exact thing that's holding them down.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I guess when you're losing the battle of ideas it's easy to blame it on the other side being "better at playing the game" than it is admitting to yourself that your positions are not winning ones.
My point was not meant to address the actual merits of the positions, their relative popularities, or whether one side is "right" or "wrong." Just that there the Dems are more organized, unified, and better at getting their message out, targeting voters, etc etc AKA better politicians.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:09 pm to deltaland
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What you just said is the point I was trying to make. Through big government the small portion of very intelligent liberals are controlling masses of dumb people through lies and perceived protection.
Its funny that you actually believe this
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:46 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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How do you "politicize" algebra, chemistry, biology, english, etc etc etc. People who think these kids are getting subliminal messages of "you need big government" or other ideologies considered "liberal" are just buying into BS conservative memes.
Algebra? Nah.
Chemistry? Nah.
Biology? Possible (as our discussion on YEC demonstrates).
English. Possible (based upon literature assignments).
But your point is well taken.
Now, honest question, how do you think your average public high school teacher votes? Conservative or Liberal?
(I realize average is very, very broad - might not even be worth the discussion)
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:48 pm to Wolfhound45
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English. Possible (based upon literature assignments).
By English I meant more grammar than literature, but point taken.
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Now, honest question, how do you think your average public high school teacher votes? Conservative or Liberal?
(I realize average is very, very broad - might not even be worth the discussion)
Dude I have no clue, and this is totally region dependent. Really tough to even venture a guess on this tbh.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 2:54 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Dude I have no clue, and this is totally region dependent. Really tough to even venture a guess on this tbh.
Agreed.
ETA: What do you think about popular media? Does it influence political thought towards liberalism?
Undergraduate/post graduate educators?
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 2:57 pm
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