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re: Official Pelicans Free Agency Thread(Updated with transactions)
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:06 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:06 am to TigerinATL
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So you go from potential trade rape to Wiggins, Bennet and Thadeus Young?
That is a good haul, but these things have a way of not panning out as Mahoney detailed. Minnesota still only has one shot creator. I think Bennett will be better, but he was Rivers bad. And Young has an ETO for 15/16- I'll be shocked if he doesn't exercise it while league payroll is exploding. Not giving up Waiters is huge for Cleveland.
Would be thrilled to see LeBron/Love but LeBron as Mister Miyagi with the kiddie Cavs is also very appealing.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 9:08 am
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:20 am to corndeaux
That Lavine kid for Minnesota can straight up throw it down. If you haven't seen the dunk contest he did the other day you gotta check it out.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:29 am to corndeaux
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Would be thrilled to see LeBron/Love but LeBron as Mister Miyagi with the kiddie Cavs is also very appealing.
Wouldn't it be in LeBron's interest to not trade Wiggins? Wiggins will be on a rookie deal for 4/5 years.
You can potentially add Love next year via free agency. And if not Love, you can go after guys like Paul Milsaps, LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandan Wright, Jordan Hill, Al Jefferson, Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol, Omar Asik or Roy Hibbert.
Then you hope Wiggins develops and when LBJ is on the decline Kyrie and Wiggins can do the heavy lifting.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:35 am to Suntiger
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Wouldn't it be in LeBron's interest to not trade Wiggins? Wiggins will be on a rookie deal for 4/5 years.
1) LeBron won't be in his prime forever, waiting 2-3 years for Wiggins to get it is wasting LeBron's prime when there is a win now option like Love available.
2) Wiggins' value deal would allow you to go out and sign a higher priced player, but LeBron struck out last time he tried to bring a higher priced player to Cleveland. He couldn't even get Bosh to come. If you could get Love as a FA in a year then yes you wait, but there really aren't any guarantees they could sign Love or anyone close to his caliber. The only way to guarantee you get that level of Win Now player is to trade Wiggins for Love.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:51 am to Suntiger
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Wouldn't it be in LeBron's interest to not trade Wiggins? Wiggins will be on a rookie deal for 4/5 years.
It just depends on how you look at it. Lee Jenkins on the Lowe Post put it this way: do you want your title window to be as long as possible or as wide as possible?
Wiggins helps keep LeBron's mileage down, but he likely isn't good enough to help win a title for a couple of years. Is LeBron still LeBron at 33/34? Love/LeBron in their primes with Irving is a title favorite for the next 3 years, who knows after that. Neither is a bad choice.
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You can potentially add Love next year via free agency
Ideally, Wiggins and Bennett can give them something approximating Love's game so they can go get a rim protecting big. Question is if is it worth taking a year of prime LeBron to see what you have in Wiggins/Bennett?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:52 am to TigerinATL
Minny would be an idiot not to take wiggins/bennett/young.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 9:57 am to Peliclown
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If you haven't seen the dunk contest
It is nuts. I'm just not sure what else he can do besides jump breathtakingly high. Outside of Rubio, they just don't have many guys who can create shots
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:00 am to corndeaux
They did sign mo williams but he's better at shooting.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
I do think LeBron will have an extended prime compared to a lot of players. He's never really been injured in his career. Hes carried the load/mileage throughout his career, but I think his basketball iq and his ability to take care of his body will allow him to play at a higher level deep into his career more than any other player has done before him.
So I definitely see reasoning behind keeping Wiggins and signing a fa next year but you also gotta take love for the close to guaranteed eastern conference winners if not NBA Champs this next season.
So I definitely see reasoning behind keeping Wiggins and signing a fa next year but you also gotta take love for the close to guaranteed eastern conference winners if not NBA Champs this next season.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:15 am to Peliclown
He is a freak of nature for sure. He's like Karl Malone with a 3 point shot and guard speed/agility.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 10:17 am to TigerinATL
We will be saying that about AD too 
Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:57 pm to Peliclown
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Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO · 43m
TWolves owner Glen Taylor tells Pioneer Press trade of Kevin Love likely: "Kevin has made it pretty clear that's what he wants to do."
Additionally, TWolves say they expect a Kevin Love trade to fall on Aug. 23 or 24.
That date falls in line with 30 days after Wiggins was signed and becomes eligible to be traded.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 11:25 am to TigerinATL
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That date falls in line with 30 days after Wiggins was signed and becomes eligible to be traded.
I get it, kind of. I'm just not sure if
Kyrie
Waiters
LBJ
Love
Varijão
Is better than
Kyrie
Waiters
Wiggins
LBJ
B. Lopez/Roy Hibbert/Marc Gasol
or
Kyrie
Waiters-Wiggens
LBJ
L. Aldridge/Al Jefferson/B. Wright
Varijão/Gasol/Lopez
in the long run. Especially when you have the chance to sign Love next year.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:08 am to Suntiger
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I get it, kind of.
1. You don't do this if you think Wiggins is going to be a star relatively quickly. I doubt that happens. If it takes 3 or 4 years, LeBron is 33/34. Irving is hitting FA soon. You win now if you can while you have the best player on the planet in his prime, albeit on the downside. I'm still stupefied the Warriors refused to throw Thompson in. Curry, Iguodala, Love, Bogut is a title contender.
2. Defense is Wiggins's calling card and rookies are universally bad on defense. As Pelicans fans, we've seen a defensive prodigy in Davis have a fairly steep learning curve.
3. We just watched LeBron operate with shooters and space and w/o a traditional post big. As he moves more towards PF, that space becomes even more vital. Love and James is like James and Bosh on steroids. For all the talk about Wiggins saving LeBron's legs on defense, Love will do the same on offense and on the glass at All NBA levels.
Pair LeBron w/ Lopez, Hibbert, Jefferson or any other plodding paint restricted big and the space he uses to destroy defenses disappears. Gasol is intriguing because of his passing and high post ability. But even then, it still might be cramped.
4. They likely won't have the cap space (james is re-upping for a max when the TV contract kicks in) to max another guy (let alone the Aldridge and Gasol scenario) out in FA w/o moving pieces. Wiggins could be moved anyway. The question becomes, is there someone better than Love they could get? I don't think so. Love is much better (and also younger) than any of the guys you mentioned. They still need a center that can alter shots, but you can find a BirdMan easier than a Love.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 10:47 am to corndeaux
Looks like Marion may be signing with the Cavs for the Vet minimum to come off the bench. I know playing on that team has more appeal than playing for the Pelicans, but I can't help but to wonder if a starting spot and $2.7 mil would have gotten a deal done with him.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 10:53 am to mm2316
I'm not sure we would have wanted him over Salmons. Salmons skill set really lines up with our needs very well. Marion was not very good shooting the corner 3, 35% and 37% LINK vs. Salmons shooting 40% and 50% from both corners. Although according to McNamara we went after Alan Anderson before Salmons and he shoots worse than Marion from the corners, his good 3 point spots are on the wing like the rest of our shooters.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 12:04 pm to TigerinATL
Good point. A PT favorite who is still a FA, Jordan Hamilton, shot 54%/43% from the corners. Not saying we should sign him, just thought that was interesting. CDR shot 39%/52%.
This post was edited on 8/5/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 8/5/14 at 12:06 pm to mm2316
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Not saying we should sign him
Why shouldn't we sign him?
I think he would be a great fit, obviously the market for him isn't that strong
Posted on 8/5/14 at 12:17 pm to wallowinit
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Why shouldn't we sign him?
Corporate Equity. I think that's the reason they signed Salmons (a vet who will pick up quickly) and kept Miller rather than going after someone younger like Hamilton. They want this team to hit the ground running and shock the world like they did in Monty's first year. If the plan is to turn Gordon into a starting SF, then there's not much point in signing a guy who will take a while to learn the system.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 12:36 pm to TigerinATL
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If the plan is to turn Gordon into a starting SF
Link?
I don't like the way that sounds. I'd rather have him be 6th man in that case.
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