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re: Mutual interest between Pels and Andray Blatche

Posted on 6/14/14 at 2:59 am to
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10226 posts
Posted on 6/14/14 at 2:59 am to
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I don't see where Smiht would fit for us


Smith is pretty much gone regardless. The guy missed 108 games out of 230 in the past 3 years. I like him a lot but he is always nicked up or injured.
Posted by BuddyLAM
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
2633 posts
Posted on 6/14/14 at 12:36 pm to
he is only 27 wow I thought he was a lot older
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 6/14/14 at 3:08 pm to
Yep... hes been in the league for a while but it has taken him a while to mature and grow up. But he has some great skills for a big. Good with the ball in his hands, can post up and has a very solid mid range game, good moves on the block, uses his body well, and can beat slower guys off the dribble. Hes like a poor mans DeMarcus Cousins... but a very poor mans version

I would be thrilled if we land him. Ive always thought he should get legit minutes. Hes only averaged 22mpg throughout his career. His PER36 numbers are 17 and 9 with 1.3 blocks and 1.4 steals.
This post was edited on 6/14/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
22996 posts
Posted on 6/14/14 at 7:23 pm to
I know PER isn't the best stat to go off of but Blatche's was 18.85 this season. Tied with Vucevic.

Better than Centers:

Marc Gasol (18.27)
Deandre Jordan (18.19)
Robin Lopez (17.68)
Marcin Gortat (17.66)
Anderson Varejao (17.05)
Tiago Splitter (16.58)
Tyson Chandler (15.48)
Jeff Withey (15.25)
Alexis Ajinca (14.62)
Omar Asik (14.05)
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5726 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 7:07 am to
Per Hoops Rumors we don't have interest in signing Blatche...
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 9:11 am to
Oh well...
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14847 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 9:19 am to
That report was via John Reid. I could imagine how that played out with his "sources."
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11841 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 9:45 am to
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That report was via John Reid. I could imagine how that played out with his "sources."
I am not sure Reid knows who even works for the Pelicans. He is an embarrassment as far as knowledge and coverage of the team.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9754 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 10:40 am to
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Per Hoops Rumors we don't have interest in signing Blatche...


Thank goodness. Giving that cancer 6M+ a year is just dumb. We don't have a KG to keep him in line. We need to keep lazy, quitters away from Davis.



Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115262 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 10:54 am to
It's Reid denying the rumor. He doesn't know anything.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71934 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 12:33 pm to
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Thank goodness. Giving that cancer 6M+ a year is just dumb. We don't have a KG to keep him in line. We need to keep lazy, quitters away from Davis.





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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — In his first act as Andray Blatche’s mentor, John Lucas took away his car keys. It was a deposit of sorts, a down payment on rebirth.

Before Lucas could help Blatche salvage his N.B.A. career, he needed to see a commitment. For seven years in Washington, Blatche had tantalized coaches with his unique blend of size (6 feet 11 inches) and skills and athleticism, only to repeatedly disappoint with his poor work ethic and off-court antics.

When Blatche at last sought out Lucas — a former N.B.A. star and a renowned guide to wayward souls — the only question was whether Blatche had the will to follow through. So Lucas asked for his keys, which would not be returned until Blatche had shown his dedication.

“I didn’t know Andray before,” Lucas said in a telephone interview, “but I did know the skill level. I told him that nobody questioned his basketball. Everybody questioned his commitment.”

The questions will surely linger as Blatche enters his first season with the Nets, who signed him to a one-year contract in September after the Wizards cut him loose. But Lucas sees a talent ready to shine, an evolving young man who is finally ready to embrace responsibility.

Blatche, 26, spent three months this summer at Lucas’s gymnasium in Houston, receiving a daily regimen of tough love, counseling and remedial nutrition training. He weighs 265 pounds now, down from 285, and is working to drop another 5. His new teammates raved about his play in September scrimmages. Coach Avery Johnson has already named Blatche his backup center.

“He doesn’t back down from anybody,” Johnson said after the Nets’ first practice Tuesday. “He’s a skilled player.”

But the best sign might be Blatche’s willingness to own his past.

“A lot of mistakes,” he said of his Washington tenure. “But I was a young guy. And not to make no excuses for myself, I did a lot of things. And I also didn’t do a lot of things. But I was punished for the things I did and I learned from it, and I’m moving on.”

Johnson is not looking back, either. “No concern whatsoever,” he said of Blatche’s missteps in Washington. He added, “It’s a clean slate.”

That slate needed a power sander.

Blatche missed his first N.B.A. training camp in 2005 after being shot in the chest during an attempted carjacking. In 2007, he was charged with soliciting a prostitute, who turned out to be an undercover police officer. A year later, he was arrested on a charge of speeding and was cited (for the third time) for driving with a suspended license. Blatche earned further infamy last year for hosting a party known as Lap Dance Tuesday at a Miami club.

His conduct on the court could be just as maddening. In his worst moments, Blatche combined impulsive shot selection with indifferent defense. Yet his talent was clear. In a torrid 32-game stretch to close the 2009-10 season, Blatche averaged 22.1 points and 8.3 rebounds while shooting .485 from the field.

That summer, the Wizards rewarded him with a five-year, $35 million contract extension. They are still paying him $23 million for the final three years of that deal after waiving him in July.

Blatche was so out of shape last season that the Wizards at one point shut him down and publicly listed the reason as “conditioning.”

“A wake-up call,” Blatche called it. “The job of my life, the job I love doing, can be taken from me in an instant, a blink of my eyes. To see what happened to me, to see that I have another chance, I don’t want that to happen again.”

Blatche sounded contrite and hopeful. He became defensive only once, while disputing long-ago reports about a fight with his teammate JaVale McGee, which he said were exaggerated.

In Houston, Blatche first received counseling and a psychological assessment, “to see if there were any issues,” said Lucas, who has battled drug addiction. “We didn’t find anything there.”

What Lucas did find was a player who became complacent after finding early success in the N.B.A., after entering the league as teenager in 2005.

“I just think Andray forgot how to work,” Lucas said, adding, “People stopped believing in him, and he stopped believing in himself.”

The Wizards’ locker room was perhaps the worst place for an immature player in need of guidance. Their personality was defined for years by Gilbert Arenas, whose locker-room gunplay nearly wrecked the franchise.

The Nets are certain Blatche will benefit from a more stable environment and a veteran locker room. Lucas says he also plans to visit periodically. He says Blatche has the talent to be a starter and said he could be “the steal of the summer.” He recalled the first conversation they had in Houston many months ago.

“I was very stern with him early,” Lucas said. “I told him: ‘I’m going to take the keys to your car. But you can get them back.’ And he got them back.”
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49484 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 12:37 pm to
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Giving that cancer 6M+ a year is just dumb.


Did you stop following basketball two seasons ago?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115262 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 3:45 pm to
Yeah I was a Blatche hater 2 years ago. He's turned it around. He's not getting 10 mill plus a year either, so it's not like he can completely fall apart.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9754 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 6:43 pm to
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Did you stop following basketball two seasons ago?


Nope I just think guys are who they are. I guess he kept his nose clean this past season, but his history is notorious and this team doesn't need to take the risk. He was the 3rd string Center on the 6th place team in the East. I can't imagine he had much pressure to perform. Then he put up basically the same stats as Smith. They are both finesse PF/C hybrids. So, give Blatche 6M+ a year or resign Smith for about 3-4M? Why would that even be a choice..

Unless the team moves Anderson, the front court is set. Anderson and Davis will play over 30 minutes a game. That leaves about 30 minutes a game to split in-between Withey, Ajinca and Smith or whoever they draft/sign late. It makes no sense to bench a 8M+ a year guy to start a 6M a year guy. It would be Evans all over again.
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49484 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 7:11 pm to
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So, give Blatche 6M+ a year or resign Smith for about 3-4M? Why would that even be a choice..


Blatche has played 155 games in the past 2 seasons. Smiht has played 82. That's not worth an extra ~$3m to you? Blatche is also coming off of his 2 most efficient seasons (PERs of 21.9, 18.8) compared to Smiht's 16.8 and dropping off to a 12.4 last season. And for all of Monty's problems, he seems to get vet bigs to improve when they come in as free agents. Give AD 35mpg, Ryno 33, and that's still 28 minutes available for Blatche. Obviously Withey and Ajinca are going to get some minutes, but if the goal is to make the playoffs, those 3 are going to get ~95% of the minutes when they get there.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9754 posts
Posted on 6/15/14 at 8:34 pm to
Neither you or I have crystal balls when it comes to injuries. Smith has been banged up. But Blatche has missed time with injuries as well in the past. Smith's PER dropped because he was forced to start and played against starters. Blatche is a back-up that played against back-ups. He also did in the a weak conference surrounded by HOF players. I don't think Blatche would have even played much this year if Lopez hadn't got hurt.

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Give AD 35mpg, Ryno 33, and that's still 28 minutes available for Blatche. Obviously Withey and Ajinca are going to get some minutes, but if the goal is to make the playoffs, those 3 are going to get ~95% of the minutes when they get there


There is going to be 3-4 other bigs to divide up that 28 minutes a game. I don't see the reason for a big money guy, unless there is a trade or injuries. This team has too many big money guys and not enough role players. If Blatche had an overwhelming skill (rebounds, blocked shots, etc), I might think about it. But he doesn't. He's just an average big. We already have two guys above average. It's a waste of money to add that type of guy..

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