re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

Wish I could take credit for that. Pure coincidence.

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Season 3 Episode 7
The Abuducted

The opening abduction reminded me of Ink but I doubt this is a happy fairytale.

I didn't quite understand Bubbles being so helpful the first time and understand it even less now. Why is he willing to risk his life for someone he doesn't know and who comes off sounding insane?

"Don't even think about it?"

Stupid line. Of course a new person coming onto a case is going to want to interview the abductees.

Also stupid that 2 suspects was ruled out because kids were scared and easily confused. If you use that logic then any details given could be wrong so any details should be part of the profile.



Olivia should have head butted Broyles. I hate when people stand that close to me.

Why was Broyles even allowed to interview his kid? I can understand allowing him to be present but he wouldn't ask tough questions and his kid might be afraid to tell his dad everything. Piss poor protocol in the Fauxverse.

Broyles said he hadn't seen his son smile since he was abducted but Chris smiles 14 seconds after Olivia shows up.

That minister sure caved fast on that whole religious seal issue although it probably shouldn't have even been mentioned because that only pertains to confession not a list of parishioners.

By the way, how stupid is Broyles for telling a potential suspect (he should be a suspect) that his son is a credible witness to identify the kidnapper.

I liked that Broyles let her go, but I wish he had gone a step further and had told her to get home tonight. He knows Walternate is removing her the next day.

I still don't understand why she flashes from universe to universe then back. What is pulling her back? I thought it was strong emotion and fear that kicked in her Cortexiphan so I am not sure why she keeps boomeranging back.

Overall, that was a weak episode. They caught the guy with evidence that should have easily been collected with the first abduction. His scripture quote led to the church which led to the parishoner list which led to Toomy.

You can argue that only Chris heard or remembered the quotes but sure seemed like the guy was using the quote a lot and probably used the quote any time the kids pleaded with him.

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Think I have Mexican food on the brain. I keep enchilada instead of Entrada.

Season 3 Episode 8
Entrada

I guess I can't blame Peter for snooping a bit instead of grabbing the gun first.

I go back to my beef from a while back. How is Olivia to be extracted? If they have that ability, then they never needed Olivia in the first place.

Which goes back to my beef of everyone and his brother being able to figure out how to hop worlds.

Similar to the ease of time travel in Star Trek.




Excuse me. Are we to believe they didn't change the security code from her last break out 8 weeks ago?



"Put your guns down" Derp. Ok. Put those guns down. Recently, I think I have seen 4 different shows use this crap in situations where allowing the bad guy to escape puts thousands to billions at risk. Or in situations where it is obvious putting the weapon down would result in death to everyone anyway.

I am getting so sick of this cliche. We are in a struggle to save the world. Broyles shouldn't give a single frick for one person. This is war.

That shifter died but he broke the shifting world record. He was able to change in less than 10 seconds so at least he has that going for him.

Good thing that woman wasn't deaf. Peter sure would have felt bad shooting a woman in her head in front of her daughter.

I'm glad they are moving along the main arc but.....



In the past, the location of the transfer had to be exact and it required lots of fancy equipment calibrated perfectly.

Hopping from the Police truck doesn't work and no way you can convince me otherwise and once again, if they have the ability so easily to do that, then they never needed The Olivia Cortex Method.

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Season 3 Episode 9
Marionette

Poor guy. He appears to be......



Not the way I want to go.



This guy needs a visit from Dexter. Geez, was this the extra special gory Halloween episode. The gouged out eyes....


This episode has more of a Millennium feel to it. Frank Black needs to take that guy down.



Sure Olivia, blame Peter for not being able to see Fauxlivia wasn't you. Not like you two were actually dating BEFORE you were taken. Women! I can't complain too much about that since it is the way they behave.

OP updated with new episodes, page numbers, and dates. Will get to ya'lls thoughts shortly, but first here are mine..

Ep 7. Abducted.

I remember this candyman thing, but forgot about Altbroyles's kid though. I like Altbroyles, but remember that something horrible happens to him at some point...and I assume it's coming soon since he seems we're getting to know more about him all of a sudden.

I love how easily Liv can break in or peace the frick out of Liberty Island. It's not like the Department of fricking Defense should have top notch security or anything.

I get Broyles being protective, but for frick's sake, if his kid can help other kids now, why not at least let Liv talk to him? At least the mother seems to be open minded.

The kid playing his son is a pretty good actor IMO.

Decent episode, but felt like filler.

Ep 8. Entrada.

I get why it didn't happen, but there is almost literally zero reason for Fauxliv to not kill Peter. None. It makes absolutely no sense for her to let him live, even if she's sort of emotionally attached.

Vagenda. That shite made me bust out laughing for real. Walter is awesome.

So all the problems Liv has caused, and she's still not under constant surveillance? Broyles can just waltz into her room and decide to help her escape.

On top of no surveillance, they send in one unassisted person with fricking needles (that could be used against him as weapons) to administer drugs to Liv? She wasn't even tied up or anything. And she's only, I don't know...the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON EVER since the safety of literally your entire universe hangs on her. Might want to do more than just lock her up in a room (from which she's already escaped, mind you). Also might want to change the code to the same exact door that she escaped from last time...by using the code.

Love Alt Broyles, which I can only assume means that he bites it soon.

HOLY shite, PETER FINALLY HAS A GUN!!!!!!!!

Peter with the save recognizing that the woman was a shapeshifter. That was pretty slick.

Good for Altbroyles for helping Liv out, but there is zero chance he gets away with it. And it just makes no sense really...we're supposed to assume that he literally gives his life to save this chick from the alternate universe who they believe is hell bent on destroying their own, basically all because she helped him catch the candyman? I can sort of understand him letting her go at the hospital, but going above and beyond to the point of knowing how much shite you'll be in when (not if) you're caught. I guess Altbroyles is just that kind of man.

And even more than that...he knew he had a tracker? Come on, man! Either you're trying to help or you're not.

And yup..that's where he dies. I knew that was coming. Though I seem to remember being confused at some point later in the series about Altbroyles...does something happen to him similar to Charlie in S1/2? Like is there an episode where he shows up again maybe? I guess we'll see.

Also, seems that jumping between universes is easy as frick now...that didn't take long. Before it was "Let's make this bridge jump" and all that, but now she can just be gone from the back of a van in custody, and Liv can just jump in a tank for a few seconds and be back. Weird.

Ep 9. Marionette.

I'm starting to a) how often they use needles on this show now, and b) how much the camera loves to show that shite up close. It's weird that it keeps happening several times per episode now.

So Peter tells Liv about he and Fauxliv, and he starts off with "She smiled a lot more"? What the frick, Pete? Smooth move, brah.

Freaky Event Horizon moment in that dark lab/eye store/whatever.

HAHAHAAAAA...Walter just jumps right in and straight up tastes the ashes of that chick. That was hilarious.

So fricking weird. This dude marionetting the chick's dead body may be the creepiest thing we've seen on the show in two and a half seasons so far. Good Lord..

So Olivia takes it well. Then flips the frick out. Of course...typical woman. I see what she's saying, but she had no idea that her boyfriend in S1 was a bad guy, and they lived together (I think?). Peter even said he noticed differences but just wrote them off because their relationship had changed and he was happy to be with (what he thought was) her. She should understand that...but at least we know that they do get together eventually.

Women be shoppin, man.

Observers for the first time in a while.

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The reason they used the bridge is because they had pretty much the same bridge on this side. When you cross over you have to bring swap Mass, kinda keeping the universes in balance. That is what caused all the crap to happen in the first place, Walter caused a miss balance so to speak between the two universes. (I think anyway) So they both fall apart so to speak.

They had to use a weak spot in the universe which I guess was around Grand Central Station (I think it was) They wanted to use Olivia because she would be the exact same mass as their Olivia. In a pinch they and to use Alternate Broyles (RIP) which still worked.

Our Olivia is the only one who can cross without consequence. everyone else needs something to cross, aka someone to switch places with, cross using a door, come in with a bridge etc.

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That sort of makes sense, and I remember them talking about it. I just know they make SUCH a huge deal about crossing over back and forth and how it fricks shite up, but allof a sudden they can pinpoint her and get Fauxliv back no big deal from the back of the van. It just seems to jump forward a TON all of a sudden to be able to do that. But maybe they learned shite from their experiments with Liv while she was at DoD.

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Walternate told Broyles that they were at war with the other side, they wanted their destruction, it is either their world or ours. What Olivia told Broyles is that her side wasn't at war with your side. But if they were to kill her that her world would retaliate with full force.

Broyles throught process goes like this I would imagine

Either Olivia is lying and we are at war so there is no point to save her.

or she is telling the truth and if I save her, I could prevent the deaths of thousands if not millions of people on both sides. I will probably die or go to jail for my actions but it would be worth it to sacrifice my life for the many.

So it was either let Olivia die, and be directly responsible for a War between Universes or save Olviia risk my own life, but possibly avoid an all out war between Universes and maybe the complete destruction of one of one Universe.

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I can see that, and I agree that's why he did it. shite, at one point he tells Liv to "make sure this is worth it." So he knew he was sacrificing himself in a way. That's why I understand why he helped her as much as he did. But to then walk into the DoD, straight up MURDER Brandon, and help her escape...all of that seemed like a huge leap. And Broyles talked to his wife about it in that park, so are we to assume she told him to help Liv no matter what the cost (his life)? Doesn't seem like it.

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That sort of makes sense, and I remember them talking about it. I just know they make SUCH a huge deal about crossing over back and forth and how it fricks shite up, but allof a sudden they can pinpoint her and get Fauxliv back no big deal from the back of the van. It just seems to jump forward a TON all of a sudden to be able to do that. But maybe they learned shite from their experiments with Liv while she was at DoD.

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If they have miniaturized all aspects of the harmonic equipment and they can move someone as easy as they moved Fauxlivia without even knowing her location, then there was absolutely no point whatsoever to the Olivia in the Fauxverse plot. Not to mention they should be able to move armies of shifters over with no problem. They already have people over here so it would be easy for them to have Weighted replacements for anyone coming over.

As I said, it is a beef of mine. There are too many ways to hop back and forth and none of them do the damage caused by Walter's first jump.

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If they have miniaturized all aspects of the harmonic equipment and they can move someone as easy as they moved Fauxlivia without even knowing her location, then there was absolutely no point whatsoever to the Olivia in the Fauxverse plot.

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this is something i also thought about. what was the point of that plot

not to mention how the frick they were able to send broyles back in replacement of fauxlivia.

I don't get how Olivia crossed through in walternate's tank, but they were able to pull her back. why couldn't they pull her back when she went in the tank at Harvard?

i assumed they could pull her back the first time because she never left the statue's base. that's the only reason I could think that would make some sort of sense, but couldn't they have done the same at Harvard? was it because she had the oxygen mask in the DoD tank leaving a connection to the other universe?

it just doesn't make sense.

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I don't get how Olivia crossed through in walternate's tank, but they were able to pull her back. why couldn't they pull her back when she went in the tank at Harvard?

i assumed they could pull her back the first time because she never left the statue's base. that's the only reason I could think that would make some sort of sense, but couldn't they have done the same at Harvard? was it because she had the oxygen mask in the DoD tank leaving a connection to the other universe?

it just doesn't make sense.

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obvious plot hole, I don't think we can describe it away.

I think Fear would have an aneurysm if he looked in on this post.

The whole Olivia / Fauxlivia shift was pure nonsense. As I keep stating, if it was that easy to move around with no consequences, then there was no point to keeping Olivia alive. They should have killed and dissected her on day 1 in the Fauxverse.

I guess someone should point out that when she shifts, her body is gone, so nobody should be able to grab her in the tank.

She was able to physically interact with items in the gift shop so it wasn't just some mental projection.