re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

Ahh. I watched Charlie The Resurrection in season 1 where Netflix had it.

so how should we approach episode #11 for next week. I think it was an episode filmed for season 1 that never aired so they did a special after #10.

If you watch it not knowing that it wasn't a re-air, you would say; what, Charlie is alive again?

This wasthe explanation of it:

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Co-executive producers David H. Goodman and Andrew Kreisberg wrote "Unearthed", while producer Frederick E. O. Toye worked as the episode director.[3] "Unearthed" was the last episode filmed during the first season schedule. Although it was filmed during the first season,[4] "Unearthed" aired during the following season on Monday, January 11, 2010, a departure from its normal timeslot on Thursdays.[5] Actor Joshua Jackson explained the move in April 2009, "[It's] for boring reasons. They only had 22 airdates for our show this year, but they ordered 23 episodes, so we shot one for next year, which is just silly TV network stuff. It's not for any cool reason like we had something we needed in New York that we couldn't shoot elsewhere. It's just an accounting issue."[4] That same month, executive producer/showrunner Jeff Pinkner further commented on the episode chronology for the new season, "It won't be the first episode, and it probably won't be the second, but it'll be somewhere in the first batch of episodes. It's a stand-alone, but it still honors the condition that we know it will fall into the world."[4]

Fox issued a press release on January 11 previewing the episode's plot. It concluded, "While the girl's mind-bending condition intensifies, Walter dusts off some old lab videos and hypothesizes the unthinkable, sending Olivia and Peter to investigate the bewildering case in an original 'Unearthed' episode of Fringe and here's another mystery: is it an unaired episode from Season One or is it from an alternate universe?"[6] As the press release purposely alluded to whether the episode was indeed originally part of the first season or from the parallel universe, one critic wrote that "FOX [was just] having fun with the fact that Fringe has alternate universes" and that readers of the press release should "take this with a grain of salt".[6] According to Fox's media site, "Unearthed" was listed as the 21st episode of season one,[7][8] despite its broadcast during the second season and inclusion in that season's DVD release as a special feature.[9] Though one character had been killed off earlier in the second season, a former series regular appeared in the episode, sparking confusion among some viewers.[7][10][1][11] As the broadcasting change went unexplained at the time, one media outlet speculated it was a marketing ploy on the network's part, believing the episode title was "more than a stunning coincidence" and that it was a reference to co-creator J.J. Abrams' other television series, Lost.

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I assume they didn't know Charlie would die at that point. If they filmed it during season one, that whole storyline of him dying perhaps wasn't even written yet.

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If they knew they only had 22 air dates why script an episode with a dead guy.

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I have no idea but my best guess is that when they wrote the first 23 episodes, either they didn't know it was going to be 22, or the plot if written in general the episode to episode are written from season to season.

This could have what happened. They knew shape shifters would make an impact starting in season 2, but they didn't know who would shape sift and if important characters would get involved. So they wrote episode 23 knowing it wouldn't air till season 2. Why they choose to kill off charlie with this I have no idea. Probably some contracting issue or something that they had to kill him off so they had no way to work around the extra episode.

I'll just let it slide, I think I will enjoy the episode. I remember it being decent. I haven't watched it yet so IDK. I'll comment monday.

one more thing while as you went further in this show it got more season plot driven instead of case by case driven. You can easily sell a vaulted episode for a show like this at this point in the story. With Fringe you can watch episodes out of order and still enjoy it at-least with the first two seasons. When it comes to shows like Lost , you can't watch any random episode without being LOST. (even though you are pretty much lost even watching it 20 times in a span of 2 weeks )

one more note, there are episodes in season 1 and 2 that add nothing to the overall plot but are still good. This episode is kinda like that.

My numbering will be off from yours because I count the Charlie Resurrection in Season 1.

Season 2X10
Yikes!



That is a very disturbing way to start out an episode. Brain surgery gives me the willies. I thought about posting the pic from Hannibal but couldn't force myself to look at Ray Liotta eating his own brain.


I know time is compressed and plots need to be moved along quickly but that Doctor sure seems positive the guy is no longer schizophrenic just hours after he stopped exhibiting symptoms.



I'm just wondering how we would actually stand even a remote chance of winning against the Walternate Universe. They seem to be 100s of years ahead of us in technological advances.



The bad guy looks like an older Dave Bowman. Why are you taking pieces of my brain Dave?



Damn smart of Walter to have that tracking sensor although I stick with my original statement that it would have been less painful in his shoes.




I'm a bit confused. The shifters were able to come to our universe yet they need to know how to come to our universe?



I know i am probably forgetting the reason, but it sure seems like everyone can already bounce around. Bell went to the Walternate universe. Bell pulled Olivia into the universe and then sent her home. David Robert Jones knew how to get over there with the help of Walter's technology. Someone keeps sending shifters. Who is left? Who doesn't know how?



Damn! Don't mess with Olivia. Girl can shoot! 2 shots, two kills.



I disagree with Broyles. We really didn't learn much this episode other than a rehash of the David Robert Jones plot using Walter to get technology to bridge the alternate universes.



Belly is cold blooded. Bet he wouldn't have let Walter cut into his brain.

Episode 2X11
Monster of the Week

Probably not going to have much to say about this one.



Pretty sure he isn't in this episode to make just one quick appearance which means he will definitely be one of the Hill People with Merrick's Disease.

Not sure what the Hill People's endgame would be. I don't think murdering FBI agents would generate LESS scrutiny.

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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

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Walter sure had some interesting friends.

Ok, I get that Olivia was being shot at, but in the last episode while running she shot a guy in the head through the window of a speeding van. This time she can't hit a guy sitting almost completely out of the car window. Slacker. She stinks under pressure.



Crappy scene there at the end. The monster cop could very easily shoot and kill Peter but instead he tries to get Olivia to drop the gun. Pretty stupid given that he knows that she knows they will instantly kill her the second the weapon is dropped.

No way Olivia would have lowered her weapon. That was some contrived bullshite there.



Weak episode.

brief comment about the episodes. I don't really care about the second of string of episodes this week, it doesn't really fit, I watched sorta enjoyed it.

#10. This is one of the first episodes of things REALLY picking up in the plots of these shows. These are also very good episodes IMO. This show did the opposite of lost, early on they answer many questions. We know why walter is crazy, this missing brain matter can explain why he has such issues.

#12 Even though this doesn't have much to do with the overall plot of the show I enjoyed this episode. Very entertaining and not one of those disgusting ones.

I've gotten ahead this week and things are really start to pick up in this season. Some of the most important episodes so far coming up.

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I think that shape shifters are the only ones who can move between universe right now.

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I'll be looking for that episode, but based on what we have seen Bell moved over, Jones was able to attempt to move over and Bell pulled Olivia over. At least with Olivia, we know she was able to jump over because of the drugs given to her as a child although she didn't go on her own. Bell somehow pulled her over.

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But do you watch this show just to find plot holes

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Hi, I'm Tigermyth. Nice to meet you.

more things olivia could go between realities because she has cortexiphan Walter doesn't, Walternate doesn't, she may be the only one with the ability.

I'm almost positive Shapeshifters goal is to bring Walternate to this side to reunite them with Peter.