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re: Thoughts on Jrue..
Posted on 5/23/14 at 11:48 am to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 5/23/14 at 11:48 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:does anyone else think that rondo looks like that turtle named franklin on nick jr?
And you're saying he's better than Rondo??
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Posted on 5/23/14 at 11:54 am to CecilShortsHisPants
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Miami is about to win their 3rd with Chalmers, child please.
We don't have Lebron on the team, we need a solid point guard.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:06 pm to PortCityTiger24
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So you're saying you would rather have Holiday??
And you're saying he's better than Rondo??
awesome
Lillard is the perfect player for that system. If he was forced o be a playmaker people would have a different view on him. I agree on one this he isn't an elite pg but he's in the same category as Lawson, Dragic, and Conley.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:25 pm to Fearthehat0307
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does anyone else think that rondo looks like that turtle named franklin on nick jr?
At least he doesn't have a fig Canadian accent like that douchebag turtle and his friends
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:28 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
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I can't understand why he is thought so highly of. He's a VERY good point guard, but so are about 15-20 other guys out there. I wouldn't be opposed to moving Jrue out of here if it would help in dealing Gordon for a 3 or 5. Its really just not a PG dominated league regardless of what people say. Miami is about to win their 3rd with Chalmers, child please.
Go look at the teams that didn't make the playoffs and tell me about the PG play/injuries.
Knicks
Pistons (Jennings shot 37% from the field)
Celtics (Rondo played 30 games)
Magic
6ers (MCW shot 40%)
Bucks (Knight did alright but the team is awful)
Suns (Bledsoe and Dragic are good together but Bledsoe only started 40 games and Dragic is truely a SG)
T-Wolves
Nuggets (Lawson is prob the best of the group but he still only played about 60 games)
Kings (Thomas would be really good off the bench if they had a real PG)
Lakers
Jazz (Burke has potential, but he also shot incredibly poorly this season at 38%)
All but maybe 1 or 2 West team in the Playoffs had good or great PG play.
Spurs
OKC
Clips
Rockets (Harden dominates the ball)
Trail Blazers
Warriors
Grizz
Mavs (Mediocre PG play)
You must not have watched the Hornets/Pelicans in the time between CP3 and Holiday and must not have watched last season. The vast majority of teams without a very good PG (or guys who dominate the ball like James, Wade, Kobe, and Harden) are just plain hard to watch and are typically terrible.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:47 pm to Noplacelikehome
What do you mean Dragic is truly a shooting guard? Dragic has played PG his whole career. The only reason he played SG this year is because the Suns had two PG's and they decided to move Dragic to the SG spot when he played with Bledsoe.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 1:04 pm to PrimeTime Money
If Dragic being a SG means that Jrue can be a top 10 PG then I agree that Dragic is a SG. 
Posted on 5/23/14 at 1:11 pm to Pel Demps
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If Dragic being a SG means that Jrue can be a top 10 PG then I agree that Dragic is a SG.
This is the main reason
but he also had the best season of his career playing sg.Posted on 5/23/14 at 1:25 pm to 504ByrdGang
He played about half the season as shooting guard. The other half of the season he was playing PG with Gerald Green at SG.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 2:15 pm to GynoSandberg
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It doesn't mean he's bad, it's just the deepest position in the nba
Yep.
May not be what people want to hear, but it is very fair to question the price Demps paid to get him. Even if you ultimately liked the move, as I do.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 2:30 pm to corndeaux
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it is very fair to question the price Demps paid to get him.
It depends on who's questioning it. Some people truly believe he gave up Noel and a chance at Wiggins/Embid rather than Noel and Saric. Those are 2 very different value propositions.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 2:43 pm to TigerinATL
My question is more on the flexibility end, not on the being lucky end.
If we go with the premise that pg is the deepest position in the league and that Holiday is around 10-15, was he worth $44M and 2 lotto picks?
Some flexibility/desirable assets right now would be a huge help in getting Monroe or making a run at Love or other vets that might be available.
To be clear, I'm fine with the trade. And I get that the Evans move limited flexibility just as much as Holiday. With health, they will be a good team. Just spitballing
If we go with the premise that pg is the deepest position in the league and that Holiday is around 10-15, was he worth $44M and 2 lotto picks?
Some flexibility/desirable assets right now would be a huge help in getting Monroe or making a run at Love or other vets that might be available.
To be clear, I'm fine with the trade. And I get that the Evans move limited flexibility just as much as Holiday. With health, they will be a good team. Just spitballing
Posted on 5/23/14 at 3:24 pm to corndeaux
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If we go with the premise that pg is the deepest position in the league and that Holiday is around 10-15, was he worth $44M
Because of the deepness of the position we've seen the teams have the power in these negotiations and the going rate at a team favorable price is $8 million to $11 million per. At best he's on a team friendly deal, at worst he's about $3 million per year over paid.
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and 2 lotto picks
Jrue is a 2 way player which is unique and very valuable, especially in the playoffs. Pretty much every player we could draft with either pick is a one way player.
Hopefully he'll play his arse off next season and put this argument to rest.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 3:57 pm to TigerinATL
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Pretty much every player we could draft with either pick is a one way player.
Sure. But that assumes that they wouldn't try to use 2014 1st or the rookie as bait for a vet.
I bet they could get Asik for 10 right now.
Burke/MCW, Gordon, Evans, Anderson, Davis, Asik as a top 6 really worse than what they have now? If so, how much?
Posted on 5/23/14 at 4:07 pm to corndeaux
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Burke/MCW, Gordon, Evans, Anderson, Davis, Asik as a top 6 really worse than what they have now? If so, how much?
I think one of the sticking points with me is that I don't see a ton of value in that #6 pick. I've had enough of no defense at the point of attack with Vasquez, so I wasn't looking forward to Burke, and I don't have a lot of faith that MCW will become efficient enough to go from one dimensional defensive PG (ie a backup in a league deep at the PG position) to a Rondo/Wall type of star player. The potential is there, I just don't have much faith that he'll live up to it.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 4:14 pm to TigerinATL
That's fair.
I just don't value pg defense as much as others do. To me, much more about your wings, bigs, and scheme.
Like I said I'm fine with the trade. Injuries have destroyed any fair analysis of this roster.
I just don't like the emptying of the chamber in terms of assets. Perhaps they were (are?) planning to unload Anderson and thought they would be able to dump Gordon. Just hasn't happened that way and they're left with their pants down at the moment.
I just don't value pg defense as much as others do. To me, much more about your wings, bigs, and scheme.
Like I said I'm fine with the trade. Injuries have destroyed any fair analysis of this roster.
I just don't like the emptying of the chamber in terms of assets. Perhaps they were (are?) planning to unload Anderson and thought they would be able to dump Gordon. Just hasn't happened that way and they're left with their pants down at the moment.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 4:37 pm to corndeaux
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I just don't value pg defense as much as others do.
Curry, CP3, Westbrook, Parker, Conley, Lillard. 6 of the 8 western playoff teams starting PGs are capable of averaging 20 ppg while running their team's offense. Sure PG doesn't have to guard PG, but considering how deep the position is, "blowing up the play in the backfield" so to speak would seem like something you'd look for on defense.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 2:16 am to TigerinATL
Lets just say for the sake of an argument, we didn't trade Nerlens + #10 pick.
We'd have an injured center that has a smaller frame than AD with even less offensive game than AD when he came into the league.
and
Dario Saric?
Reke came here to be a SG to eventually replace EG, I think we all knew that.
I'm gonna go with Holiday > Roberts/Rivers and I'll leave it at that.
We'd have an injured center that has a smaller frame than AD with even less offensive game than AD when he came into the league.
and
Dario Saric?
Reke came here to be a SG to eventually replace EG, I think we all knew that.
I'm gonna go with Holiday > Roberts/Rivers and I'll leave it at that.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:06 am to TigerinATL
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Curry, CP3, Westbrook, Parker, Conley, Lillard.
None of those guys, except perhaps Conley, are getting stopped by a lone pg defender. It takes smart, able bigs on PnR and committed team defense to contain them.
Look at it another way: how many top 10 defenses feature a pg as their best perimeter defender? I count 2: The Clippers and the Raptors. The Warriors were top 3 and the Blazers middle of the pack with sieves like Curry and Lillard. Westbrook and Parker aren't exactly great defenders and they were on top 5 defenses.
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"blowing up the play in the backfield
This has been largely mitigated by the rules changes. Plus all of the ball pressure in the world doesn't mean much if you can't trust teammates to help properly or be able grab the rebound behind you
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:54 pm to oncealurker
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No we didn't. Nerlens Noel and Doug McDermott for Jrue? I'd do that deal all day. Nerlens has serious knee issues and may not last long as a pro. He's very boom or bust. And Dougie Fresh will struggle as a defender in this league. Wally Szerbiack (sp?) 2.0 IMO
I just don't think we needed to give up both to get Jrue, but who knows.
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