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re: Justify the non-traditional roster

Posted on 5/15/14 at 6:01 pm to
Posted by LosLobos111
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 6:01 pm to
Mayo hasn't been bad at all the past 2 years though:

2012(Dal): 35.5 MPG 15.3 PPG/4.4 Ast/3.6 Reb 45% FG/40.7 % 3Pt

2013(Mil) 26.0 MPG 11.7 PPG/2.2 Ast/2.5 Reb 41% FG/37% 3Pt

He struggled a bit last year due to injury/Mil being a wasteland etc but he'd be pretty effective as a backup 2 to Tyreke getting 25 MPG

Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 8:32 pm to
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Mayo hasn't been bad at all the past 2 years though:


He was atrocious in Milwaukee. He was out of shape and ineffective. Shitty team, sure, but that's no excuse for the complete mail in he did this season. Nice numbers in Dallas, but Carlisle hated him and the Mavs made no effort to bring him back.

I would want Sanders, but I would have to be sure Mayo will at least try to get in shape if he's part of the package. Even then, he's got some serious baggage at this point in his career.
Posted by Noplacelikehome
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:58 am to
Lets allow Holiday, Gordon, Evans, Anderson, and AD play in more than 10 games through a season together before the team gets blown up. The thought of having a starting line up that included Holiday, Gordon, and AD with Anderson and Evans coming off the bench is still relatively unknown and is pretty intriguing.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:08 am to
MM has started a new series of articles at BSS called Glory Days where he's going back and breaking down the 12ish games where the main pieces were all healthy and playing together. The first article focuses on the Philly game, which is the best case scenario for the team.

quote:

Man, this game was beautiful. As you will see, it had it all, as the Pelicans played the way we all envisioned that it would when Dell Demps put this roster together. 14 points, 12 assists, and 6 rebounds for Jrue Holiday in just 29 minutes. 9 blocks for AD in only 28 minutes. Ryan Anderson going 6-10 from behind the arc. Eric Gordon 19 points on just 12 shots. And Tyreke Evans coming off the bench to give you 15 points on just 10 shots (would have been 18 if he knocked down his freebies). Full Box Score Here.

There were some occasional hiccups defensively, as you will see below, but you also see how dominant this team could have been if it remained healthy, as they were clicking on the offensive end, and this was only their first game together. Yes, Philly was a bad team (though not as bad as they would become later in the year), but that is what good teams do – they demolish bad teams.

LINK /

I'll be interested to see what the overall trends are rather than what happened in one lopsided game, but the team played differently and Monty coached differently when they were all healthy.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:30 pm to
this thread (a very good one by the way) makes me think about this:

LINK

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The three Pelicans (that sounds like the start of a children’s book) have strengths in different areas. Holiday and Evans are at their best taking players off the bounce, and Gordon was a monster both spotting up and attacking closeouts for the Clippers (though his past two injury-filled seasons have been less than stellar). To effectively use the individual skills of his three guards — and of Anderson and Davis — Williams needs to find an offense that allows those players to be at their best, and to find such a system, he needs to look no further than a conference foe.


and dream of george karl on the sideline
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 6:49 am to
I hope you're not watching the WCF. Even stretches where it was 4 guards and a forward.

Ibaka injury changed things, but even then I bet Ibaka/Durant frontcourt would have been seen often
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/31/14 at 11:16 am to
We're seeing the space revolution right now. Boris Diaw and Rashard Lewis turned Conference Finals as stretch 4s v teams with traditional bigs. In 2014. WTF

I don't think Demps has the wrong instincts in building a roster- guys who can attack, pass, and shoot. But he has missed on how the big man is evolving. Wing and big mobility is turning into a bigger deal than raw size/length.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:00 pm to
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But he has missed on how the big man is evolving.

how? we have AD and ryno. 2 mobile guys who are stretch 4s
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:12 pm to
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how? we have AD and ryno. 2 mobile guys who are stretch 4s


To nitpick, Anderson isn't really mobile, especially on defense.

But on the whole, I agree. Those two guys are perfect for where the league is heading. The problems are his buys at the 5 (stiff, slow players) and the head coach is publicly saying that Anderson/Davis is more of a rare thing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:20 pm to
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The problems are his buys at the 5 (stiff, slow players)

we're in year 1 of a roster change. it's impossible to make too many moves in a window with how the NBA CBA is structured

plus the NBA is moving towards using rim protectors at the 5 and mobile defenders at the 4

it's not like we broke the bank on any 5, either. we're not paying kendrick perkins (who is not a rim protector, nor is he mobile) $8-9M per or hibbert (major rim protector) $15M+
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:25 pm to
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plus the NBA is moving towards using rim protectors at the 5 and mobile defenders at the 4


More like 4s are becoming 5s.

I'm very curious to see how Hibbert bounces back. He was a force of nature for a year and a half. And looked useless for most of the playoffs.
Posted by KG5989
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:26 pm to
IMO its more of the evolution of the player and skill set rather than the league is shifting towards the small ball style.

Just like in the NFL, the NBA has become all about match ups and mis matches. There are great coaches in both leagues and all that, but strategy and style only goes so far. And what has become the best mis match in the NBA.... the stretch 4.

The evolution of the PF position has changed the way teams play. Youve got guys like KD, Kevin Love, Ryan Anderson, Bosh, Dirk, Diaw, etc that are 6'9+ and can drill 3s like a shooting guard. And those guys are tough match ups for teams to guard. You put a smaller, quicker guy on them they can take them on the block, shoot over them, etc. You put a traditional post player on them, and these guys can take them off the dribble. Its just really hard to guard against these guys.

And, it is a guard dominant league. And its not that hard to figure out why. How many guys are 6'0 or taller in the world? 20% of males between the age of 20-29 are 6'0 or taller. And only 2% of males are 6'5 are taller. But, only 0.36% of the worlds population are taller than 6'5. And each time you go up an inch, it gets less and less. According to a stat, there are only 70 people in the U.S that are 7'0 or taller... and in the target range for the NBA, only 53.

There just arent that many people in the world that are tall enough and skilled enough to play as a C in the NBA. On the other hand, there are a lot 6'3+ people out there.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71934 posts
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:58 pm to
^^ I can't even. shite doesn't even make sense

You're either writing a book or reciting stats off of Bball reference pages in every post you make .

Gimme like 4 sentences tops dude
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:17 pm to


I write what I wanna write, you don't have to read it haha. Only thing I looked up was the percent of population by height.

Here's a condensed version for you.... The evolution of the stretch 4 has turned the nba into what people consider "small ball". And there aren't that many people in the world over 6'8, let alone with athletic ability to play in the nba. On the other hand, there are a lot more people in the world 6'3ish. Which is why the NBA is predominantly a guard league right now and teams use more of a non traditional roster now a days.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 7:23 pm
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