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re: Justify the non-traditional roster
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:28 pm to Geauxgurt
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:28 pm to Geauxgurt
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I haven't really seen much guard improvement other than Vasquez in his time here.
No guards have been here long enough to show improvement. Rivers has definitely improved.
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Also, the hate Gordon gets on here is ridiculous. You'd think he's playing as bad as some other guys that got big contracts. Is he great? No. Is he a legit NBA starter? Yes. He's overpaid, but he's not horrid.
I totally agree with this. I'm just a holier than thou prick, though.
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Monty's struggled with 2 Guards basically every year he's been with this team.
Someone should go look at our top 2 guards in minutes played in every season Monty has been here. It's not totally Monty's fault.
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:29 pm to TigerinATL
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don't know Demps' view, but in the exit interview Monty made it sound like SF was the more glaring of the 2 holes, although they'd obviously like to fill both.
Whoops. Thought I read that a 5/low post defender was the top priority. If not, then I agree with Monty
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:45 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I'm just a holier than thou prick, though.
Step 1 in conquering the problem.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:13 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Is the small-ball lineup actually trending toward becoming the norm or is it just an extension of the exciting Suns teams that can't win when it matters?
I think that every team has to be capable of a small ball lineup in some facet in this day and ages NBA. Look at every team in the playoffs currently, all of them can go small. OKC puts durant or jones at the 4 with ibaka at the 5, Spurs throw duncan at the 5 every now and again, obvious situation with the heat, wizards won their last game with gooden playing a lot of the 4 minutes, pacers went small with copeland at the 4 to help with the atlanta series. Brooklyn goes small with peirce at the 4. Portland can stick aldridge at the 5 when needed with batum at the 4. the only real exception is the clippers who stick mainly with blake and deandre or big baby but even they could if they needed to with granger or barnes at the 4.
So i think that most teams, in order to advance far into the playoffs, need to have solid talent in the traditional sense of roster spots, but they also need to have decent enough talent to go small when a high offense approach is needed, or when they need to guard another small ball team thats killing them, ie pacers v hawks.
TLDR; yes and no, teams need to be able to do both
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:29 pm to LosLobos111
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He's seeing who fits and the "loser" goes
You make it sound easier than it is. You're assuming that the "loser" has a contract that allows us to have him "go".
I know I'm a big anti-Gordon guy and I won't back off that. Because of EG, we've loss so much flexibility we could have. When you're building a team, you're going to have hits and misses...it's part of the process. If you don't have the cap space to add more pieces or the option to move a "miss", the process is delayed or, in many cases, destroyed. EG is a monumental "miss".
As for Demps' "master plan" comment, he's running out of time for that plan to work.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:38 pm to adono
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You make it sound easier than it is. You're assuming that the "loser" has a contract that allows us to have him "go".
It's pretty much seeing who works the best with AD. That's obviously Jrue/Tyreke at this point. Gordon had his shot and blew it.
I wouldn't be suprised if the way we let him go is this: Either take the 11 Mil to GTFO or we'll sit you on the bench to be the sixth man.
It's a win-win for us because either he goes or he stays on the bench and becomes a LOT more attractive to some team as a 1 1/2 year deal.
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As for Demps' "master plan" comment, he's running out of time for that plan to work.
His moves so far make me think something is afoot.
Could I be wrong? Sure but the moves he's made seem too calculated.
The GM talent pool is fairly thin remember that.
It'd be easier to replace monty than dell
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:09 pm to LosLobos111
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Could I be wrong? Sure but the moves he's made seem too calculated.
Here is my great fear: this city will not support this team if it keeps losing. I went to almost every New Orleans Jazz game. From the crazy Loyola Field house days to the last game in the Dome, I was usually there. I firmly believe that the story came to an end here because of one major mistake made by the FO and that mistake was Gail Goodrich. He was injury prone and the losses piled up and the people stop showing up. The team never recovered from that and the handwriting was on the wall.
I don't want that to happen again.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:10 pm to LosLobos111
To be honest, I don't think Demps has a master plan for the future. It doesn't look like he was planning for the future at all.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:32 pm to adono
Shoe Town couldn't even give away tickets.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:21 am to LosLobos111
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:28 am to cgrand
The problem with Gordon for Sanders and Mayo is that Mayo's contract, while half the size of Gordon's, is just as cap crippling when paired with Sanders. You'd basically be betting big on Sanders being the center you are looking for and being able to find the 3 and D SF you need with the MLE. It's not a crazy bet, but Sanders is only available because there are doubts about him living up to his deal, and if he doesn't you've turned a short term, fixable problem into a long term one that will not only get you fired, by make life difficult for the next GM.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:29 am to corndeaux
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Whoops. Thought I read that a 5/low post defender was the top priority. If not, then I agree with Monty
They both said that too, but in Monty's interview he seemed to imply that he sees SF as 1a and C as 1b.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:44 am to TigerinATL
That's good to know.
Certainly they need a better 3rd big who will bang down low for Davis and Anderson, but that Al Jefferson game Monty mentioned is such a weird one to single out. Jefferson scored 33, but he need 36 shots+FTs, plus he had 4 TOs to only one assist. They did a credible job limiting him that night
Certainly they need a better 3rd big who will bang down low for Davis and Anderson, but that Al Jefferson game Monty mentioned is such a weird one to single out. Jefferson scored 33, but he need 36 shots+FTs, plus he had 4 TOs to only one assist. They did a credible job limiting him that night
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:47 am to corndeaux
With the Core 4, I wouldn't expect whatever "starting" big we get to be on the floor at the end of games while I would the starting SF. I'd like an Asik but we could live with a Koufos. SF on the other hand, we need a legit starting caliber one IMO.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:00 am to TigerinATL
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With the Core 4, I wouldn't expect whatever "starting" big we get to be on the floor at the end of games while I would the starting SF. I'd like an Asik but we could live with a Koufos. SF on the other hand, we need a legit starting caliber one IMO.
+1
The Pels roster was also unbalanced in the sense that almost every guy was < 6'5" or > 6'10". That is crippling.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:25 am to TigerinATL
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The problem with Gordon for Sanders and Mayo is that Mayo's contract, while half the size of Gordon's, is just as cap crippling when paired with Sanders. You'd basically be betting big on Sanders being the center you are looking for and being able to find the 3 and D SF you need with the MLE. It's not a crazy bet, but Sanders is only available because there are doubts about him living up to his deal, and if he doesn't you've turned a short term, fixable problem into a long term one that will not only get you fired, by make life difficult for the next GM.
mayo's $8MM is not so bad when you consider the way revenues are increasing and the cap is rising. by the end of that deal he'll be cheap, and he's a decent 6th man/wing.
sanders' extension starts next year, and if he regains form he is certainly not overpaid (4/44MM i think). his interior defense is elite.
holding out hope for a 3/D wing in FA is a fools errand i think...those players must be drafted/developed. they are the hottest commodity in the league and consistently overpaid. my guess is that if the team had rim protection, AD could spend more time defending the perimeter
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:31 am to cgrand
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mayo's $8MM is not so bad when you consider the way revenues are increasing and the cap is rising. by the end of that deal he'll be cheap, and he's a decent 6th man/wing.
If he decides to actually get in shape, he can be useful. But fat Mayo is akin to lighting money on fire.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:37 am to Gtothemoney
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Shoe Town couldn't even give away tickets.
And Pistol Pete was on the team (mostly hurt the last 2 seasons here).
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:25 pm to corndeaux
that is undoubtedly true
however i'd rather have fat mayo at 8MM and larry sanders than eric gordon
however i'd rather have fat mayo at 8MM and larry sanders than eric gordon
Posted on 5/15/14 at 4:11 pm to cgrand
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that is undoubtedly true
however i'd rather have fat mayo at 8MM and larry sanders than eric gordon
I don't think I agree. Like ATL said above, you have 2 years of Gordon left. With Sanders and Mayo, you are tied in for longer. Also, OJ Mayo is just not that good. Memphis got better when he left. Sanders is also a guy who had to miss games because he got involved in a bar brawl and broke his hand. The more I type, the more I want no part of that trade.
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