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Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:01 pm to Will Cover
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Have you ever had to discipline any employee for lying to you? When confronted, I asked my employee three times about her seeking employment outside the company. All three times she denied it. She even tried denying it after I presented her with the letter she wrote to the company she is seeking employment from.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why does she have to inform you about her intentions of finding another job?
I know when I go out to look for another job, I don't and won't say a damn thing even if I'm asked.
Maybe she feels like she isn't valued at your company? Maybe there's no growth? Instead of trying to discpline her, if you value her as an employee maybe you should try to learn something about why she's trying to leave and do your best to retain her services.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:01 pm to Sevendust912
My question would be in regards to the letter that she wrote. Who was the letter sent to?
If it was included in the application for another role, I would think that there could be legal ramifications for that company.
I'm no legal expert, but I would imagine anything transmitted between a recruit and a potential employer is supposed to remain private.
If it was included in the application for another role, I would think that there could be legal ramifications for that company.
I'm no legal expert, but I would imagine anything transmitted between a recruit and a potential employer is supposed to remain private.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:05 pm to Will Cover
Also, you are no better than her coming on here and talking about her and your company no matter how anonymous. Just as unprofessional.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:10 pm to whodatfan
So is posting on TD considered work appropriate but finding a job online a different scale of acceptable? Just curious.
ETA: not directed at any particular poster, just wondering
ETA: not directed at any particular poster, just wondering
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:11 pm to Jack Daniel
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Why is it your business if she does?
I'm sure you found the job you're in now while working somewhere else
This.
Unless there's a non-compete clause or NDA in place, I'm not sure where the issue is.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:14 pm to Will Cover
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Other than the fact she was using company time and company laptop to search for employment outside of our company, there is no issue.
Should have put this in the OP. You would have received a more favorable reaction to this line of reasoning.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:16 pm to Will Cover
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She called me, for about the third time - she's a new employee of less than 60 days - identifying problem after problem, in her community.
You are focused on the wrong thing. Her lying to you is the least of your problems. If she's having trouble doing her job well and she's seeking another job, those 2 things are probably related. Either help her get comfortable in her new job or start looking for a replacement.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:16 pm to 756
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Never let emotion get in the way of management.
Agreed.
The fact that OP used the word "boiling point" in one of his posts tells me all I need to know. Granted, the employee doesn't sound like any prize, but we're getting one side of the story.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:20 pm to Will Cover
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Other than the fact she was using company time and company laptop to search for employment outside of our company, there is no issue. Except that she lied to me three times about it.
The fact that she lied about it is fairly irrelevant.
However, what's your proof that she was using company time and equipment to search for employment? You keep referencing a letter that you obtained -- by the way, the person who gave you that letter is the epitome of a "snake in the grass" -- which doesn't prove anything beyond the fact she's searching for employment elsewhere, which is a ridiculous reason to write someone up.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:20 pm to Will Cover
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I have never been dishonest with my direct supervisor.
It's not the mistake that will get her in trouble. It's the cover up. She had a chance to own up. She failed.
Give me a break. There are lines that you do not cross as a boss and you crossed one. You really expect to get an honest response from someone by asking if they are looking for another job? Did you also ask if she was pregnant? I get that if this person left it will cause your business issues. At the same time, you get paid to deal with turnover. It's not reasonable to expect someone to tell you that they are looking for another job.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:21 pm to Will Cover
You saying you "confronted" her about seeking other employment hints that the conversation didn't start on a good note. Did you scare her at the beginning of the conversation.
Her not being truthful might have been a reflexive reaction to the tone of the questioning.
If one of the people in my group are looking elsewhere I ask them to talk to me about it. If the new company is offering them more that I think their ability justifies me paying them, I encourage them to take the job. If the work they give me justifies me meeting or exceeding the offer they received from another company, we both come out ahead. They get a raise or a perk, I gain knowledge of the market my company is competing for people in.
Her not being truthful might have been a reflexive reaction to the tone of the questioning.
If one of the people in my group are looking elsewhere I ask them to talk to me about it. If the new company is offering them more that I think their ability justifies me paying them, I encourage them to take the job. If the work they give me justifies me meeting or exceeding the offer they received from another company, we both come out ahead. They get a raise or a perk, I gain knowledge of the market my company is competing for people in.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:22 pm to whodatfan
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Also, you are no better than her coming on here and talking about her and your company no matter how anonymous. Just as unprofessional.
We have a winner.
It'd be like me coming on here and complaining about how my wife complains to her friends about me.
By the way, the fact that you're posting on a message board at 1:30 pm on a Tuesday tells me that you may be just as guilty of improper use of company equipment/time as she is.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:22 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Maybe she feels like she isn't valued at your company? Maybe there's no growth?
She's been with our company for less than 60 days. Before she can grow with the company, she has to grow herself into her new role.
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Instead of trying to discpline her, if you value her as an employee maybe you should try to learn something about why she's trying to leave and do your best to retain her services.
The intent behind my write up is to let her know that I do value her as an employee and that I could have easily fired her for misuse of company equipment, theft of time and dishonesty. Instead, I am choosing to invest back in her as opposed to dismissing her as others have suggested.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:23 pm to LloydChristmas
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So is posting on TD considered work appropriate but finding a job online a different scale of acceptable? Just curious.
I am utilizing my personal computer, with my own internet connection.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:24 pm to Will Cover
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I am utilizing my personal computer, with my own internet connection.
On company time?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:24 pm to Will Cover
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I am glad that you have identified all the problems we have, what is your proposed solution and what are you going to do to correct them?
I only brought up the seeking employment issue after listening to her for 35 minutes. I reached my boiling point.
This changes my earlier reply. Sounds like she's not that good of an employee. Someone who likes to piss and moan and not offer solutions to fix things needs to go.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:27 pm to Jack Daniel
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Why is it your business if she does?
I'm sure you found the job you're in now while working somewhere else
I understand this sentiment. However, now that you know you can let her leave on her timetable or you can let her go on yours.
Happened to me once and I waiting until I was in a good place and let her go. I did not want to the employee to leave when it was best for them and bad for me.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:27 pm to SUB
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Give me a break. There are lines that you do not cross as a boss and you crossed one. You really expect to get an honest response from someone by asking if they are looking for another job? Did you also ask if she was pregnant? I get that if this person left it will cause your business issues. At the same time, you get paid to deal with turnover. It's not reasonable to expect someone to tell you that they are looking for another job.
I gave her an opportunity, not once, but three times to tell me the truth. I already knew the answer, but I wanted to see if she could be honest with me.
How can I expect her to be a leader in her job duties if she can't be forthcoming with me? How can I expect her to give her all when she is looking elsewhere?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:27 pm to Feral
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On company time?
I am off today.
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