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re: Why shouldn't High School Kids head to Europe and play instead of the NBA?
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:18 pm to Shaft Williams
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:18 pm to Shaft Williams
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If it was my kid I'd push them to go overseas rather than playing college ball for a year. The opportunity to make money, live overseas, play against pros, become more mature than I believe one would attending an American university.
Alot of these kids come from poor families and have never been outside of their own state.
It all depends on the kid. Very few 18 yr olds would have the maturity to handle it.
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:20 pm to barry
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Very few 18 yr olds would have the maturity to handle it.
I would have been screwed
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:23 pm to Shaft Williams
Youre looking at it from an adult perspective.
Sit and think about all the dumb shite you did when you were 17-19 years old. Now think what would happen if you were in Europe where a lot of drugs are legal / decriminalized and its not just weed, legally able to drink, with a good amount of $$$, and no parents there?? I know i did dumb shite here with no $$$ and drugs were illegal and my parents were here. Cant even fathom how much shite I would be in if I was over in Europe with a lot of $$$ and no parents.
And what happens if you get hurt over there and you suck and wont make it to the NBA or get hurt and career is pretty much done? What happens next? If you go to school instead of playing overseas at least you still have the opportunity to graduate without having to pay for school.
And Euro league competition isnt as good as big time college basketball. Theres a reason why those guys are playing in Euro and not in the NBA.
And, now a days a lot of kids from overseas come to college in America instead of playing professionally in Europe or wherever.
Sit and think about all the dumb shite you did when you were 17-19 years old. Now think what would happen if you were in Europe where a lot of drugs are legal / decriminalized and its not just weed, legally able to drink, with a good amount of $$$, and no parents there?? I know i did dumb shite here with no $$$ and drugs were illegal and my parents were here. Cant even fathom how much shite I would be in if I was over in Europe with a lot of $$$ and no parents.
And what happens if you get hurt over there and you suck and wont make it to the NBA or get hurt and career is pretty much done? What happens next? If you go to school instead of playing overseas at least you still have the opportunity to graduate without having to pay for school.
And Euro league competition isnt as good as big time college basketball. Theres a reason why those guys are playing in Euro and not in the NBA.
And, now a days a lot of kids from overseas come to college in America instead of playing professionally in Europe or wherever.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:24 pm to KG5989
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Sit and think about all the dumb shite you did when you were 17-19 years old. Now think what would happen if you were in Europe where a lot of drugs are legal / decriminalized and its not just weed, legally able to drink, with a good amount of $$$, and no parents there??
Sounds like college for the most part
Greece> 90% of college towns
Obviously a lot of kids couldn't handle it but it would be an awesome experience
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:25 pm to KG5989
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College basketball competition is better competition.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:27 pm to barry
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Alot of these kids come from poor families and have never been outside of their own state.
It all depends on the kid. Very few 18 yr olds would have the maturity to handle it.
Agree to an extent, but it's fvcking 2014 not the 60s. Most people go away to college and if so see there folks just as often as they would if they were in Europe. I went to college a 12 hour drive away from my parents. I saw them over Christmas break and the summer, that's it.
You can Skype and Facetime nowadays, text like it's no problem. It's insane how connected the world is today. You could and should make it work.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:32 pm to FootballNostradamus
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College basketball competition is better competition.
Sort of true. Overseas talent is more developed, but with there definitely more future NBA talent in the college game now thanks to the one and done rule.
Plus much better coaching talent in CBB than overseas.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:41 pm to FootballNostradamus
When it comes to being prepared for the NBA? College is better than Euro. If you are a big time college prospect, which is what we are talking about in here, you will go to a big bball school. And play other big bball schools. Who have other big time NBA prospects. And you actually can develop in college. College coaches are better than the coaches over seas. And you get to play a lot more minutes in college than you would overseas. Jennings didnt even play 20mpg in Euro.
How many NBA players come out of college? How many come out of Europe? And theres a reason why Euro players have a harder time getting acclimated to the NBA than college players. Thats because they dont see that many NBA type player in Europe. Its a completely diff game. I mean look at the draft this year. The top guys are Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid. And those guys got to play against each other, and against other top prospects. Rarely do you get to play against a legit NBA type player in Europe.
And its a completely different style of basketball. Less athletic and a slow pace. And rules are diff too. Euro courts are smaller than college courts. The lane is significantly bigger in Euro than in college. 5 fouls to get in the bonus, and bonus is always 2 FTs. Dont have the cylinder rule when it comes to goaltending. And a different ball.
How many NBA players come out of college? How many come out of Europe? And theres a reason why Euro players have a harder time getting acclimated to the NBA than college players. Thats because they dont see that many NBA type player in Europe. Its a completely diff game. I mean look at the draft this year. The top guys are Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid. And those guys got to play against each other, and against other top prospects. Rarely do you get to play against a legit NBA type player in Europe.
And its a completely different style of basketball. Less athletic and a slow pace. And rules are diff too. Euro courts are smaller than college courts. The lane is significantly bigger in Euro than in college. 5 fouls to get in the bonus, and bonus is always 2 FTs. Dont have the cylinder rule when it comes to goaltending. And a different ball.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:41 pm to KG5989
I don't think the Euro option will ever be particularly viable for several reasons.
1) Contracts aren't the same as in the US.
College players don't get paid a cent. Players in Europe with a good amount of hype would make somewhere from $100,000 to a million (after tax). Doesn't matter. Why? Those contracts aren't guaranteed and players are NEVER paid on time. Brandon Jennings went to the Italian league when the Euro economy was doing well. He played for a team with a strong reputation and history. He wasn't paid on time once. No one was. That's how it works. Those guys debt finance more than anyone, and the only guy who will ever get paid on time is maybe an NBA player who is around during a lockout or Josh Childress.
Also, players get cut all the time so they end up with prorated deals. It isn't uncommon for a guy to end up on 2 or 3 teams in one season.
2) You can't pad stats in Europe and increase your value.
Josh Childress was the first guy to go to Europe in his prime. He got a great deal, better than anything an NBA team would give him. This was with a Greek team, and now no one at that level would get 30% of that contract because of the economy. Childress averaged worse statistics in Greece than he did in the NBA. He wasn't playing poorly. In fact, he stayed a second season. But coaches rotate like crazy in Europe. They yank guys out if they make one mistake. They favor systems were there aren't stars, so you never see isos like what the Sixers ran for Iverson in half court.
Calathes, Jennings, Childress, Hackett. These are all considered success stories, relatively speaking, and none of them put up impressive numbers by any means. I don't think any of them had a huge problem with it, but this is not how you increase your value in the eyes of NBA scouts, and that would make a Jabari Parker/Julius Randle/Andrew Wiggins type very irritable, I bet.
3) Forget it if you're a development guy.
You ever see the stats of the guys who are playing in Europe and get drafted in the first round? Especially the African players who are 6'8" or taller? They rarely average more than 5 points a game in Europe. Everything I said in point 2 would be exacerbated for a developmental player. Embiid would never get in the lottery if he was playing for UNICS Kazan or Air Avellino. And many American high schoolers are far more raw than Embiid.
4) College is more fun.
College players get to party a lot, frick a ton of chicks, and are the center of their college campus. In the Euro leagues, there is this fantasy that guys are fricking Czech and Hungarian porn stars every night and partying in Ibiza nightclubs by day. In reality, they are sitting in cramped apartments with shitty heating, cable packages that have 3-4 English channels, food they're not familiar with, and when they aren't home, they are being yelled at in thick accents by coaches who are very different than the AAU lackeys they are used to.
Did anyone see the places Seguin and Kane were living in during the NHL lockout? Every place I've lived in since my freshman year of college was nicer than that, and these guys were in Switzerland, the wealthiest country in the continent, with a population of fluent English speakers. The clubs pay the guys, but they give minimal help in housing, quality of life stuff like cable and satelite tv, transportation (good luck trying to drive in Turkey with the unbelievably chaotic traffic and not understanding road signs as an 18-year old American), and understanding the local language.
With all that being said, there are guys who will succeed in Europe and improve their stock for the NBA. But in almost all instances, those are guys like Shane Battier, who would succeed for the exact same reasons that would make college a very appealing option.
1) Contracts aren't the same as in the US.
College players don't get paid a cent. Players in Europe with a good amount of hype would make somewhere from $100,000 to a million (after tax). Doesn't matter. Why? Those contracts aren't guaranteed and players are NEVER paid on time. Brandon Jennings went to the Italian league when the Euro economy was doing well. He played for a team with a strong reputation and history. He wasn't paid on time once. No one was. That's how it works. Those guys debt finance more than anyone, and the only guy who will ever get paid on time is maybe an NBA player who is around during a lockout or Josh Childress.
Also, players get cut all the time so they end up with prorated deals. It isn't uncommon for a guy to end up on 2 or 3 teams in one season.
2) You can't pad stats in Europe and increase your value.
Josh Childress was the first guy to go to Europe in his prime. He got a great deal, better than anything an NBA team would give him. This was with a Greek team, and now no one at that level would get 30% of that contract because of the economy. Childress averaged worse statistics in Greece than he did in the NBA. He wasn't playing poorly. In fact, he stayed a second season. But coaches rotate like crazy in Europe. They yank guys out if they make one mistake. They favor systems were there aren't stars, so you never see isos like what the Sixers ran for Iverson in half court.
Calathes, Jennings, Childress, Hackett. These are all considered success stories, relatively speaking, and none of them put up impressive numbers by any means. I don't think any of them had a huge problem with it, but this is not how you increase your value in the eyes of NBA scouts, and that would make a Jabari Parker/Julius Randle/Andrew Wiggins type very irritable, I bet.
3) Forget it if you're a development guy.
You ever see the stats of the guys who are playing in Europe and get drafted in the first round? Especially the African players who are 6'8" or taller? They rarely average more than 5 points a game in Europe. Everything I said in point 2 would be exacerbated for a developmental player. Embiid would never get in the lottery if he was playing for UNICS Kazan or Air Avellino. And many American high schoolers are far more raw than Embiid.
4) College is more fun.
College players get to party a lot, frick a ton of chicks, and are the center of their college campus. In the Euro leagues, there is this fantasy that guys are fricking Czech and Hungarian porn stars every night and partying in Ibiza nightclubs by day. In reality, they are sitting in cramped apartments with shitty heating, cable packages that have 3-4 English channels, food they're not familiar with, and when they aren't home, they are being yelled at in thick accents by coaches who are very different than the AAU lackeys they are used to.
Did anyone see the places Seguin and Kane were living in during the NHL lockout? Every place I've lived in since my freshman year of college was nicer than that, and these guys were in Switzerland, the wealthiest country in the continent, with a population of fluent English speakers. The clubs pay the guys, but they give minimal help in housing, quality of life stuff like cable and satelite tv, transportation (good luck trying to drive in Turkey with the unbelievably chaotic traffic and not understanding road signs as an 18-year old American), and understanding the local language.
With all that being said, there are guys who will succeed in Europe and improve their stock for the NBA. But in almost all instances, those are guys like Shane Battier, who would succeed for the exact same reasons that would make college a very appealing option.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:45 pm to Shaft Williams
The coaches in Europe know the guys are there are short time and don't give a frick about developing them. And they don't get minutes.
Most are much better off playing in college versus riding pine in Romania.
Most are much better off playing in college versus riding pine in Romania.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 6:57 pm to Keys Open Doors
I wonder if people remember in the OP this is hypothetical on the NBA changing the age limit....
Posted on 4/18/14 at 7:00 pm to tduecen
It's just one more year. One more year in college is not nearly enough to offset all of the negatives. And the NBA will never go more than 2 and done, imo.
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