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re: Keep an eye on Tennessee's Hoops Coaching Search
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:05 pm to Coach D
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:05 pm to Coach D
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Not sure where the big guards mantra is coming from.
I think most people are ready to have bigger guards than the past couple seasons. I don't think it's a stretch to expect better guard play next season.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:25 pm to tigers32
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I think most people are ready to have bigger guards than the past couple seasons. I don't think it's a stretch to expect better guard play next season.
It's not, but we're also relying on 2 brand new folks in Gray and Hornsby in that aspect. Im not sure how much of an OFFENSIVE boost they will be; but we need some who can play D on some taller guys which they need to be able to provide.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 6:35 pm to Joe Mantegna
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Like everyone else is saying, we need an assistant who is a good defensive coach...would love to somehow get Mike Dunlap, but thats probably a pipe dream.
Probably a pipe dream? Wow
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:10 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Then there are many people here who have no fricking clue what they are talking about...
Then he needs an enforcer or motivator. Cause it ain't getting across.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:35 pm to S
If I've said it once, I've said it 100 times. Donnie Tyndall wanted the LSU job and Alleva didn't even consider him
Posted on 4/18/14 at 12:11 am to Coach D
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Disagree completely. Need to do some research. Not only does he have deep ties in the upper echelon of AAU and SE USA, he's designed workouts for some of the top NBA players. He brings high level recruiting (may not have paid off yet) and player development. He's much more valuable to LSU than Leonard is.
Watch an actual game. He is a freaking cheerleader.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 12:51 am to SouthOfSouth
Yes our half court sets were awesome. So was calling time outs. So was coming out of time outs sets. Dude called so many awesome games.
Aren't you suppose to be the so called expert in LSU Basketball? Of course out defense sucked but our sets were awful too. The only time we won was when we ran in transition. That's why teams started slow us down and running zones. To get us in half court sets.
Aren't you suppose to be the so called expert in LSU Basketball? Of course out defense sucked but our sets were awful too. The only time we won was when we ran in transition. That's why teams started slow us down and running zones. To get us in half court sets.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:01 am to LSUHoleInOne
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Aren't you suppose to be the so called expert in LSU Basketball?
Posted on 4/18/14 at 7:43 am to tigers32
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I think most people are ready to have bigger guards
Small guards are ok if they can dribble penetrate. Have small guards who can't is a bad mix.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 9:47 am to thunderbird1100
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It's not, but we're also relying on 2 brand new folks in Gray and Hornsby in that aspect. Im not sure how much of an OFFENSIVE boost they will be; but we need some who can play D on some taller guys which they need to be able to provide.
Offense is what these two bring. Gray is a volume shooter and Hornsby was super effective (and efficient) despite being game-planned against. Not sure how much D either will bring besides being bigger. Both are willing to drive though.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 9:49 am to Dr. Huxtable
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Watch an actual game. He is a freaking cheerleader.
Your point? He brings way more in the off-season than Leonard does. His specialties are PD and Recruiting. Leonard doesn't recruit, isn't great at PD and clearly isn't the answer gameplan wise but he has the 1st chair. At this level, you have to have high level assistants. Leonard isn't high level in any category.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 9:51 am to moneyg
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Small guards are ok if they can dribble penetrate. Have small guards who can't is a bad mix.
Let's see what the new "big" guards bring. I think Grey will score but will it be efficiently or will it be 25 pts. on 8-23 from the field.
Lot's of folks expecting a lot for Hornsby. I think we best temper expectations some, I think we and even the staff expected maybe too much from Quarterman early and he just wasn't ready yet for what was asked of him.
And for all the talk of how our little guards hurt us defensively I think we need to look at how our bigs struggled on ball screens, rotation and on ball defense. For me that was a bigger issue than the guards.
If the right things were being taught, they were not getting across effectively.
Finally, Hickey is going to be our point guard next year. I like Hickey, but he seemed to regress a bit. I actually think he's capable of penetrating more than he does but he fell in love with shooting 3's and he's just not consistent enough to do that.
He penetrated more his first two years and had a decent floater. He's all but abandoned that. I'd like to see him have a more defined role with more shot fakes rather than jacks on threes and looking to create for others more consistently.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 9:59 am to Tiger Ugly
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Let's see what the new "big" guards bring. I think Grey will score but will it be efficiently or will it be 25 pts. on 8-23 from the field.
That is my concern, especially since he shot 30% from three point range.
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Lot's of folks expecting a lot for Hornsby. I think we best temper expectations some, I think we and even the staff expected maybe too much from Quarterman early and he just wasn't ready yet for what was asked of him.
Watched Hornsby in practice a few times. He's a proven commodity on the college level. Bounce/quickness much higher than people realize. Knock down shooter and lights out from free throw line. Expect 12 PPG on really good efficiency. Likely toss in 3-4 rebounds and assists (depending on position, it could fluctuate).
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And for all the talk of how our little guards hurt us defensively I think we need to look at how our bigs struggled on ball screens, rotation and on ball defense. For me that was a bigger issue than the guards.
If the right things were being taught, they were not getting across effectively.
Defense was a mess last year but the staff needs to figure out the direction first to fix it. You can't spend so much of your limited practice time in press situations and not press a majority of the time. Practice time needs to mirror what you're gonna do in games.
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Finally, Hickey is going to be our point guard next year. I like Hickey, but he seemed to regress a bit. I actually think he's capable of penetrating more than he does but he fell in love with shooting 3's and he's just not consistent enough to do that.
He penetrated more his first two years and had a decent floater. He's all but abandoned that. I'd like to see him have a more defined role with more shot fakes rather than jacks on threes and looking to create for others more consistently.
I am expecting things to open up more without JOB. The more I review last year, the more I think (while a great player) JOB hampered what the team wanted to accomplish. He rarely left the paint area unless it was a fast break trail situation or to set a high ball screen very late into the clock. Without him, the offense should flow where everyone has equal opportunity. Then you'll see more driving lanes for Hickey.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:15 am to Coach D
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Watched Hornsby in practice a few times. He's a proven commodity on the college level.
Hope he brings that D. I've just been burned a bit in recent years by practice reports Re: new players. Quarterman was getting rave reviews, but he's not the only example.
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Defense was a mess last year but the staff needs to figure out the direction first to fix it. You can't spend so much of your limited practice time in press situations and not press a majority of the time.
This...I think the easy explanation from some apologists are our guards were too small, but I didn't notice much if any improvement defensively when Coleman and Q were in at guard. I think your concerns as to how we practiced, what we practiced and how effectively we got across what we wanted to do defensively needs to be looked at. Because the fundamental mistakes in team defense that were still happening at the end of the year go beyond personnel IMHO.
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am expecting things to open up more without JOB. The more I review last year, the more I think (while a great player) JOB hampered what the team wanted to accomplish.
Yeah, there's something to be said for not giving up too easily on pounding it inside, but our offense was so predictable it made us too easy to prepare for and defend. Everyone defended us the same way and I have to think we could have adjusted better.
I think moving JOB to the high post more to relieve the congestion a bit more than they did was an option but I think CJJ probably felt, and I think rightfully so, that JOB would jack too many jumpers from outside.
Coaching ain't easy, but those who adjust the best to what they have are the most successful.
This past year wasn't CJJ's finest hour, but I still give him the benefit of the doubt for a learning curve at this level.
The SEC ain't no great shakes but it's still a definite upgrade from the SunBelt and to think there's no adjustment is IMHO incorrect.
Let's see what Johnny can do from here on out.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:18 pm to Coach D
I def expect us to run more, jury still out on how much improved we'll be on D.
I agree with u on leonard. We both know how loyal and stubborn coaches can be when it comes to those things. Would JIMP if sanders came on board.
Im still thinking jarell is going to have a huge season next year.
I agree with u on leonard. We both know how loyal and stubborn coaches can be when it comes to those things. Would JIMP if sanders came on board.
Im still thinking jarell is going to have a huge season next year.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 5:19 pm to S
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Im still thinking jarell is going to have a huge season next year.
I definitely think we'll see a more polished and consistent offensive game from Martin.
What I'll be more interested to see is if both he and Martin develop some defensive DNA. Becuase both never seemed to be able to grasp fundamental individual and team defensive concepts as the year progressed.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 9:18 pm to Tiger Ugly
Interesting that this comes up.
I talked to a guy that is well connected to LSU basketball a couple weeks ago whom said that McCray would like to move on as well as possibly other assistants. The guy told me he thought that he was going to be gone within weeks. I didn't believe him at the time but maybe he's right.
Per conversation, there are assistants that believe that they have not been given a fair shot at game planning or in game coaching. Essentially they were practice delegators and that's it and were disappointed. This guy made sure that he said that these were coaches from other programs that had different expectations than what was actually occurring.
I talked to a guy that is well connected to LSU basketball a couple weeks ago whom said that McCray would like to move on as well as possibly other assistants. The guy told me he thought that he was going to be gone within weeks. I didn't believe him at the time but maybe he's right.
Per conversation, there are assistants that believe that they have not been given a fair shot at game planning or in game coaching. Essentially they were practice delegators and that's it and were disappointed. This guy made sure that he said that these were coaches from other programs that had different expectations than what was actually occurring.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:11 pm to ELLSSUU
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Essentially they were practice delegators and that's it and were disappointed.
It that were to be true, not overly surprised. But anyone who has worked anywhere knows somebody's always unhappy on the job.
I heard McRay interviewed early in the season. He's young and learning and he was essentially hired to recruit. That's how he came across to me in the interview.
CJJ himself has a learning curve IMHO. He'll get the benefit of the doubt from me for now because of his recruiting.
If he can get Ben Simmons on campus, that will overcome average coaching...that kid is for real.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:51 pm to ELLSSUU
that would be extremely depressing if true
Posted on 4/19/14 at 9:06 am to tigerbait2010
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that would be extremely depressing if true
I hope Patrick's not one of them. We definitely need him as common sense tells us Simmons and others are coming because of him.
Dale made some hay hiring assistants that weren't necessarrily great bench coaches, but were high school coaches of star players.
Abernathy (Macklin) and Childers (Stanley Roberts) come to mind. Huckaby (Howard Carter) was an excellent coach and Duhe (Derrick Taylor) was a good high school coach but I don't think he cared much for the college game and went back to high school shortly thereafter.
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