re: Do Other Nevada Ranchers, or Ranchers in Other States, Pay Grazing Fees?

You really can't troll worth a frick fatboy.

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They didn't raid his ranch at all.

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No they just surrounded it with snipers and armed agents, all the while trespassing on the mans land.

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They also destroyed his water tanks and water lines to the stock. That's a raid.

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First, they did not trespass on Bundy’s ranch. The impoundment was conducted on property that was not owned by Bundy and had never been claimed by Bundy as his property.

The federal property on which the impoundment occurred can be divided into two pieces. Part of the impoundment was conducted on the Bunkerville Allotment: federal property on which Bundy's cattle had grazed, but Bundy had relinquished the grazing rights to that property over twenty years ago. Part of the impoundment was conducted on additional federal property just outside of the Bunkerville Allotment: federal property onto which Bundy's cattle had roamed, but Bundy never had any right to have his cattle graze on that property.

Second, Bundy’s property was not surrounded by snipers and armed agents. The agents were located on the property where the impoundments occurred and the first amendment areas; neither of which was on property owned by Bundy.

Third, the water tanks and water lines that were destroyed were not located on Bundy’s property. Under Nevada law, the owner of the real estate owns all of the improvements on the land. When Bundy constructed improvements on the land, particularly in the past 20 years, he knew he would not own those improvements. In addition, those items constituted a continuing trespass in violation of the court orders. The court orders also recognized that the feds were entitled to protect the federal land against all future trespasses by Bundy.

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That's not the way its supposed to work. The public should have to pay for the beef with their money at the store - but the rancher shouldn't have to pay to graze his cattle on the public's land. THat's just mean!!! Free speech! 2nd amendment rights! Woo hoo!!!! YEEEAHHHHHHH!!!!!

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Well, after all, Cliven Bundy shouldn't have to pay those grazing fees because his cows help to reduce the price of beef in the supermarket.... so says Sean Hannity.

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Third, the water tanks and water lines that were destroyed were not located on Bundy’s property. Under Nevada law, the owner of the real estate owns all of the improvements on the land.

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bullshite. If someone else owned the land why would he want the improvements destroyed? Hmmm? If you trespass on my property and make significant improvements why would I blow them up when taking back the property? Hmmm?

What is the purpose of blowing up water storage and letting it run into the dirt unless it's a RAID?

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Like I said before, the court orders recognized that the feds were entitled to protect the federal land against all future trespasses by Bundy. One of the best ways to do that is to destroy the improvements that have a sole purpose of aiding in illegal cattle grazing.

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Then it was a RAID by the FED! You said it was not. Do you speak English?

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The feds own the land.

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This seems to be the crux of the argument. Bundy's position is that the State of Nevada should own and manage the land not the Feds. He had grazing permits in the 1980s before the Feds came in and set up a protected habitat. His family had been on the land for over 100 years.

It raises an interesting question of whether the Federal or state governments should own and manage land.

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Hypothetical: You evict tenants from YOUR PROPERTY for failure to pay rent. The tenants build a meth lab on YOUR PROPERTY. You destroy the meth lab. Is that a RAID by YOU? Do you speak English?

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Horrible analogy. And I'm beginning to think you're just a moron. But I'll type slowly so that you might understand.

If someone comes into my house and degrades it, like with a meth lab then I would destroy the meth lab. If someone comes into my home and puts in some really nice water works and perhaps a pool I would not destroy it. That would be a RAID. The purpose of the RAID is to intimidate, destroy and set an example for anyone who would oppose the FEDS.

That's what RAID means. Perhaps you would use the word 'house warming'.

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It raises an interesting question of whether the Federal or state governments should own and manage land.

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That's a valid controversy but it's not one that Cliven Bundy or his fellow thugs get to settle at the point of a gun. We have voters and Congress to settle such issues.

Bundy's standing in that regard is equal to what yours would be if you tried to claim Yellowstone National Park as your own and then used a gun to intimidate rangers who come to evict you.

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but Bundy had relinquished the grazing rights to that property over twenty years ago

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The what?
The grazing rights?

Please continue.